the only thing I see where rocky could have enhanced his rep and put queries like this to bed would be if he had taken on a couple of big heavies. Just about all his opposition was of the smaller variety. If he had taken on some deserving big guys like Nino Valdes and/or Bob Baker instead of Cockell there would be little to debate about. I think it was a managerial sidestep, not rocky’s and I do feel he would have beaten them. But the fact that he didn’t causes a void when discussing his record.
I don't disagree with anything you said. I wasn't trying to make any wider point beyond alluding to Moore's incredible longevity.
Some will say he beat top fighters past their prime. Could be, but it wasn't his choice and not all of them were so. Now how about the age he started boxing and turned professional? How about practically almost half of his opponents never returned to boxing after his beating? The guy didn't duck anyone, was nice and humble. There's nothing wrong with his resume, it's just that some other legends had the chance of doing a greater, but for what was there for him, he did the best way and not to forget - in 8 years only.
His start age of boxing is of no relevance to his resume. Many champions started as young boys. Some as teenagers. Some in their twenties. As for half never fighting again. Check Boxrec.
Oh, ok, starting late against experienced is not of a matter... And yeah - it's on BoxRec what I am saying.
His greatest win is the first Walcott bout which I rate very highly. In that fight Marciano fought one of the most tricky fighters the division had ever seen who had nearly a decade of experience on him and been active against highly ranked competition for the last 7 years. Walcott wasn't some shot and down-trodden fighter, Marciano overcame a helluva lot to win that fight and it's a testament to his stamina and durability and dare I say it... skill.
Starting late against experienced is his managers/match makers fault. He didn’t though. He was brought up beautifully as a pro considering his limited amateur experience and age. Just what I’ve said. The best he could be at his time and considering his age and boxing experience. Circumstances can’t be helped sometimes. Don’t try to Re-Invent.
I like to keep in mind that many of the Rock's opponents were considered high caliber, and favored to defeat Marciano, until AFTER they were beaten by him. Some had pretty good records overall. I see Rocky's run at heavyweight as better than most Lineal Heavyweight Champions.
He’s not the only late starter. And what’s this parallel reality crap. Just trying to put my opinion on things.
Underrated strength, fought by far the best fighters in his era except for Valdez (whom was already defeated by Moore and not as good as the Walcott or Charles that Marciano faced). Fights like Layne and LaStarza proved he could face the young top contenders of his era, but Moore Charles and Walcott were such standout fighters that they were at the top despite the young talent, just because they were so exceptional. Moore had basically beaten every top heavyweight by the time he faced Marciano, and Walcott and Charles were both former champions. Overall definitely not the strongest heavyweight era but a very slept on one because Walcott and Moore were old, and Charles had a very rough career after his beating at the hands of Marciano
Good comment, Marciano was constantly underrated in his own era. It was only after he had defeated LaStarza in their rematch just about, when people finally began to respect the unstoppable monster that he was. And now his career has been revised to be weak regardless of any adversities he overcame during it