Just to play devil's advocate, was Don King really this evil garbage?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If you listed a million it would not change my opinion of the man he was,and is, a POS imo.So that's me gone now.
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great to have written on the gravestone that.
     
  3. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You seriously compromise your credibility when just because I asked you to provide *any* evidence that King had some Human Feeling-which could include loving his wife, but I said i was OPEN to hear it-absolutely anything that shows he has some compassion, empathy, does anything that shows he cares about anyone, not just to his advantage...

    You become verbally abusive out in anonymous cyberland (sic).
    You have been treated with kid gloves; nobody is vicious to you.
    Do not post if you cannot avoid bringing the forum down with infantle personal insults.

    Now then, anything can be faked, even "just" sociopaths are often excellent at things like fake tears...
    But since you got so nasty when i just nicely ASKED, then the rational presumption is you are enraged because you HAVE no indication that he cares for anyone besides himself.

    You
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    with no justification that I did not know he was married-WRONG.
    But I did not know anything about her; me not rejecting your argument out of hand despite all the evidence & overwhelming consensus-& a crazy counter-argument on this thread that he ripped off people only if they did not "like money" was very fair.

    No need for me to look up what you said about him using that diet drug.
    Why do you assume this is new to me?
    I was correct that the effect was a dramatic DE-enhancer.
    Why he was much better over a year later, with Parkinson's further progressed, against Berbick.

    Yes he used them to lose weight.
    I am saying that knowing Ali fairly well, having read a large autobiography too, there being no common though that this was cheating, getting them from a Doctor & I believe not trying to hide it-he id not consider it cheating.

    I never indicated nor thought that "every" or even many boxers ever took them.

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  4. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    mcvey do not be alienated from Saintpat, he is correct, I compared him to Hitler.
    And he was respectful & proper when he responded to me.

    However, what is left out is I am sure unintentionally very misleading:
    I can "compare" myself tor anyone I know to any Saint, Demon, Ali as a boxer etc...& there is nothing wrong or inaccurate about any of it if I qualify how I am different than any of them.

    In this case I took pains to clarify that King was not remotely in the class of Hitler in terms of how bad he was.
    The global scale of his crimes & absolutely evil intent.

    But I said what seems SIMILAR about them, & any psychopaths, is a total lack of traits associated with Humanity.
    Empathy.
    Compassion.
    Guilt.
    Shame.
    Any Conscience.

    And I said that a psychopath may never say murder anyone, but that does not mean they would feel ANY of the above traits if they did.
    But they may never happen to much
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    to kill.
    And they would only hesitate IF the consequences were deemed unacceptable to them.

    My Father & his older Sister was sent away from his family in Leipzig when very young.
    Traveled around Europe trying to survive lived in the likes of caves, got a decent spot in France with a family (he visited their descendants 57 years later) before taking a boat Chagall was on (so there is a bit of footage) to literally live with his Uncle Sam in Cleveland.
    Worked his way through medical school, soda jerk, can driver, beer delivery-among his later roles was head of Hematology at a major hospital.

    So of course I do not see King as anything like King in the harm he caused. Not remotely.
    But in terms of conscience & INTENT, I have no indication that if it benefited HIM, & the consequences were nil...
    He would not push a button to kill, or send a whole race to live in concentration camps.

    Which is where my paternal grandparents died, in different ones, his Mother soon before liberation.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thank you for the thoughtful post and the insight into what your family has gone through. All good thoughts and power to them, and to you.

    You’re good with me, I just thought from my point of view the comparison went too far and seemed to be hyperbole but I see now you didn’t intend it that way. Hope I’m good with you.

    Cheers.
     
  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    King is not merely not good, he is Evil.
    As I explained in much detail, not causing the harm similar in scale to those Monsters, but smilar in seemingly having no conscience, love, empathy or shame.

    Who is Felipe Videla?
    I only got regular folks from Google, starting with...

    "a fellowship trained and board certified urogynecologist and reconstructive pelvic surgeon".
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Thanks very much!
    I can see how the qualification could have been missed; that I meant King's absence of conscience is what they share, not in any measure the harm they caused.
    This all happened decades before I was born, although even a small child will be effected in some way by such trauma. His older Sister much more...
     
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  8. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    OJ Simpson hasn't killed in 27 years and is unlikely to kill again
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jesus, you guys are soft.

    Don King is a boxing promoter.

    You can make sandwiches for a living, and a handful of people out of every 100 or 200 orders will think you cheated them somehow.

    He's promoted thousands of fighters. You guys have a list of about eight who sued him from wronging them in some way. And they got their money.

    The rest is all hysterics. Seriously.
     
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  10. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Don't worry guys, they all got a minuscule amount of their money in the end! The fact that King threatened their lives and robbed them of millions doesn't matter anymore.
     
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  11. janitor

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    I would say that he is a textbook example of a sociopath.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Name them.

    Name ALL the people Don King robbed.

    Name them all. Make a list. I want to read who Evil Robbed.

    I'll wait.

    Because I can list thousands who are just fine having worked with him and those who continue to work with him.

    I've already listed 95. Can you name 95 people he robbed?

    Enlighten me.
     
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  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here, I'll start. Here are 10 people Don King promoted who he didn't rob.

    * Carlos Monzon
    * Victor Galindez
    * George Foreman
    * Joe Frazier
    * Ken Norton
    * Matthew Saad Muhammad
    * Thomas Hearns
    * Sugar Ray Leonard
    * Carlos Zarate
    * Wilfredo Gomez

    Now you name 10 he promoted who he robbed.
     
  14. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I literally did earlier in the thread, as did others. Also, seeing as how Don King has literally used his mob connections to threaten fighters in the past, it's unsurprising that most people haven't tried pursuing him in court. To quote Larry Holmes when asked why:

    "King's got a lot of bad friends. I've got to make a living. I have a family. I'm scared for my family. I've got to be careful. He can hurt me."
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And I can post quotes from freaking Jonathan Guidry who thinks Don King is the greatest guy ever because he plucked him out of nowhere, got him one title shot, and just set him up with a win a week or so ago with another.

    So go ahead and name 10.

    If you're going to call someone evil, and accuse him of robbing everyone, site some examples. They don't even have to be people who took him to court.

    Name 10.

    Then, after that, we'll do another 10.

    Instead of regurgitating hysterical nonsense over and over with the same couple of names, tell us who this evil genius cheated. Name them.