Vasiliy Lomanchenko has never avenged a loss and probably won't against Haney...how does this affect

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  1. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Salido was asking for too much money. Loma supposedly offered a winner gets X amount more deal but Salido ended up fighting somebody else for a lot less than what he was offered for Loma and then retired.
     
  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again with the "new to boxing" i've already told you i've watched 1000s of fights, and been watching the sport for years so stop saying it just because i don't agree with you.

    If you want to ignore that Salido was stripped of his belt for "failing to make weight" and then took liberties by weighing in at 147 pounds on fight night. Then i'm done with this conversation because clearly there's no middle ground here. All your doing is just blindly ignoring what i'm saying like none of it has any relevance when it does, how can a biased referee and a fighter weighing in 21 pounds heavier have no relevance ? baffling to say the least.

    The facts are there regarding the weight, evidence of low blows, aswell as the medical facts regarding shoulder injury. If you choose to ignore it and think it has no relevance then that's up to you i don't really care either way.

    Lastly i've already said Lomachenko lost to Lopez fair and square, but it's not unfair to say Lomachenko probably wasn't 100 percent due to the shoulder which he needed surgery on. But still Lomachenko still took the fight and still took too long to get into the fight, which cost him a decision and that's all on him, I don't see what else i can say or how i can be anymore unbiased on the matter.
     
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  3. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma probably thought even with his off shoulder he would be able to get down too it & beat him late in the Rounds if comes to that,

    Likely didn't expect Teo to be any better than expected (you could tell with his pre fight interviews) & underestimated him a little thinking he can get surgery after he is done with the fight,

    The unnecessary trash talk from Teo over a year before even got signed off probably upset Loma as well into making that assumption.
     
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  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Brother, I'm not saying that it has no relevance but it irks me that Loma stans like yourself try to skew the facts. Yes, did Salido re-hydrate to 147? yes, but he wasn't a WW fighting a featherweight. That's just pure delusion. What WW is 147 on fight night? I get you want to make it sound worse than what it was so make excuses for Loma, but that's not reality. He wasn't overweight by 21 pounds and he wasn't a WW, that's just a fact.

    Also where is the medical proof that Loma was injured before the fight? Do you have an MRI that shows dated proof? Someone stating something is not a "fact". A fact is something undisputable.

    You are not unbiased at all. You're clearly a Loma stan and you're fooling no one mate.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First off what the hell is a stan ?

    Secondly who is skewing the facts ? how can i skew a fact ? a fact is a fact not an opinion. Salido didn't make the weight and had no intention of doing so, which is why he was stripped off his title. He weighed 147 pounds come fight night which is technically the Welterweight limit is it not ? so again what your saying makes absolutely no sense. Everything i've stated is a 100 percent factual statement, there is no opinion or skewing of any facts, what i'm saying is completely and utterly undisputable fact.

    But we knew he'd badly bruised the rotator cuff and badly bruised the bone where the rotator cuff attaches to the shoulder. That was roughly six weeks before the fight and we got him to where he was comfortable enough to train.

    So there's your evidence.

    Again what the hell is a stan ? it sounds ridiculous but whatever it is i'm clearly not biased, you just come across as a hater in my honest opinion. I don't make any special favours for any fighter whether i like them or dislike them. I'm not the biggest fan of Mayweather but i give him benefit of the doubt, for having shoulder injury vs Castillo which hindered him in their 1st meeting.

    As i said i don't look any boxing subject with any biased views i call it as i see it. The fight vs Salido was clearly an unfair fight, with the biased referee and Salido coming into the fight ridiculously heavy. The fight vs Lopez Lomachenko had a legit shoulder injury which would of hindered him, although it's up to the person to decide how much it played a part in his loss. But he still lost the fight fair and square and that's that, what else is there to be said ?
     
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  6. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    Not at all. Everyone can see the situation with Salido (weight, cheating) and Teo (Loma injured). As they were we had close fights with Loma arguably losing based on what he didn’t do rather than anything the opponents did. 9 out of 10 fans would have picked Loma in the rematches if those guys were willing to give the rematch. Linares and the most recent opponent have had the most success in the ring against Loma.
     
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  7. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    You’re completely uninformed. You can take two seconds to see video of Loma in hospital after his shoulder surgery, following the Teo fight. Unless you want to claim that the stitches etc. are not proof. At least put in the bare minimum of effort if you want to be taken seriously. You’re just demonstrating that you’re a Loma hater and that you don’t care to change your mind.
     
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  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hey moron, i said "before the fight", not disputing that loma could have been injured during the fight with Teo pummeling him over and over again.
     
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  9. Serge

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    Imagine watching this fight and believing that the guy who threw this many low blows not only didn't deserve to be DQ'd but that it didn't warrant a single point deduction. Had that corrupt as sin sack of crap Cole deducted just one point from him the fight would've been a draw. Just one :facepalm:

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    How could he miss all those low blows all night but somehow he was able to pick out Abraham and Dirrell's feet getting slightly tangled with his eagle vision to avoid having to call a KD against the home fighter, and this is after calling a bogus one in their favour earlier

    And the Cole goes and buys Salido a breather when Loma has him in trouble

    The bit at the end of the video where Salido cracks Loma with three flagrant low blows in a row in full view of Cole. The HBO commentary team are rightfully incredulous

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    If Loma had home refs and judges for his world title fights like our cousins across the pond do the vast majority of the time, which for the record doesn't happen in any other country in the world for world title fights, he would still be undefeated and so many of his American peers wouldn't be or would have even more losses.
     
  10. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That rigo win hurt many people and till this day, they can't handle Lomas name.
     
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  11. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah the ever so over hyped Rigo, by the way Loma never asked for that fight, in fact it was Rigo who wanted it & Vasaya gave him all that he desired,

    It even had all Mcgregor (who knows very little about Boxing) diss Loma by jumping on the fanboy ldbc wagon with the notion he was avoiding him :meparto:
     
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  12. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well the video started off not being so bad with them being landed at the belt line often but then got far worse going forward, the late rounds Loma got hit with a lot of hard low blow shots & this is why these Referee's get chosen like the Judges only for them to **** up & not be able to do their one & only job correctly, pathetic,

    I'll tell you what Salido must have been inspired by watching Marquez's foot stepping & extensive low blowing Pacquiao in their his third fight with where once again the referee did not warn Juan even once during the whole entire fight & it even had the pre-born again Pacquiao getting pissed off enough himself to notify the ref about it & to watch out for it,

    A special mention goes out to your favorite "Jeffery" Horn who took his MMA skills into the Boxing ring while the Ref once again stood buy while displaying that dumb look on his face even after two back to back headbutts causing major bleeding to Manny's head.
     
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  13. Serge

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    How anyone can hold that 'loss' against Loma and score the fight for Salido I'll never even begin to understand. If you out land your opponent 164 to 142 punches and over a third of their total punch connects were low blows ie. not legal scoring shots, which they should've, bare minimum, had suffered multiple points deductions for but in truth should've been DQ'd for, that's not a legit win :facepalm:

    Been ages since I saw Manny vs JMM III and I remember very little about it I'm afraid

    Yeah Jeffrey Horn sliced Manny's visage up machete style with billy goat butts & elbow soup all night
     
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  14. tinman

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    Manny was too clean of a fighter to foul back. When the opponent fouled him he instead chose to punch them really hard in the face.
     
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  15. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    both controversial decisions