Golovkins stock after 3rd Canelo fight.

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  1. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, both great fights but i had GGG winning both. In the 3rd fight, i think it was a strategy for GGG to try to fight a high tech kind of fight as appose to the gunslinging style vs Murata. I was expecting a perfect blend of both to be honest.
     
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  2. J.BULLA

    J.BULLA Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont think its that simple though, so many fighters at the end dont go out all guns blazing, they go out trying to box like they always have but simply cant do so to the same effect due to obvious drop off in speed and reactions.......the fighters that end their careers going out on their shield are usually the same fighters that fought that way even in their peaks

    I dont even think too much on Golovkins 3rd fight with Canelo, he was clearly past his best

    I rate Golovkin as a fighter who was without doubt an ELITE middleweight, he proved his in his first 2 fights with Canelo

    Anyone who disagrees must therefore think that Canelo was not an elite middleweight
     
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  3. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Down, but Clenelo’s went down even more.

    Way too passive.

    Wild thing was, if he won 2 more rounds on those 7-5 cards, he wins 7-5.

    He should have turned up the heat sooner.
     
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  4. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah but you can prove anything with facts... he was PED fueled Middleweight against GGG not elite pumpkin...theres a difference , ask Bob Bennet...
     
  5. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, Golovkin's ability to take a shot has really lived up to the hype, his defense and boxing ability is underrated as well. In the trilogy fight he seemed to nulify a usual super middleweight power house by boxing and moving out of range to avoid shots and making it look easy, when any shot did get through they didn't even faze him. The angry and all business Canelo would have run GGG over if he could, but he couldn't GGG was way too good for that and was still a real threat. If GGG would have started pushing it earlier, maybe round five on, the fight would have lived up to hype and GGG may have won.
     
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  6. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To me it seems like Golovkins stock is about the same or maybe even a little better. He hasn't lost his spot on any of the rankings, he is still favored to beat fighters that he was favored to beat before. He had a very active year in 2022, stopping a 2x middleweight champ that has never been stopped that was a top 5 contender. Recently went up a division at 40 years old and fought a top 5 PFP and undisputed champ that is a noted super middleweight puncher and gave a good account of himself, went the distance, was the stronger man down the stretch, and was never even close to being hurt, all this and it was considered a sub par performance. Thats just my observation. If GGG can comeback to his destructive ways in the next couple of fights then the relatively close trilogy fight will age just fine, especially for a fighter in his forties.
     
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  7. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    It’s honestly shocking people believe this shits real - complete utter sparring session
     
  8. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    That’s what happens when you pull your punches
     
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  9. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    When you digest both fighters in this fight GGG still won.

    GGG was older, less active and still Canelo couldn’t hurt him much less drop him.

    GGG still has a tight defense even if he was gun shy on the third fight. What was the excuse for Ginger???

    GGG can still mix it up even at his age with the top guys but he is on a limited time clock.
     
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  10. m.s.

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    I actually believe the fight was as close as the score cards indicated. Round one was close, but Golovkin won it, rounds 6 and 8 are swing rounds, rounds 9,10,&11 were Golovkins and round 12 was a swing round. So 8-4 or 7-5 is very fair.
     
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  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Down
     
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  12. m.s.

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    You know, that went through my mind as well, because we all know how GGG throws his punches and the authority in which he throws them. Something didnt look right. That being said, Banks mentioned in an interview before the fight that they weren't trying to focus on power " because the power is already there" but that they were focusing on strategy and throwing punches. He said, at this level it is extremely hard to get a KO, If a KO presents it's self they will take it, but they have to trust the judges, which i thought was a little odd. I actually think it is possible that GGG just tightened up his shots and and made them less looping and more concise, and although the punches didn't seem as lethal, they still carried force that could be seen in Canelo's behavior and caution. Some jabs were light and some heavy enough to knock Canelo off balance, there were check hooks that were fast and hard that Canelo definitely felt. Too bad he only landed the corkscrew punch once because i love that punch. So, if GGG was holding something back, i can't wait to see him start opening up again, i don't care if its at 168lbs or 160lbs. I still think he can defeat Canelo who is getting older himself if he lets his hands go more and earlier.
     
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  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    GGG knew, as I think we all knew, He was never going to win a decision victory EVER over the Vegas NSAC Golden boy. GGG boxed him Canelo tried the blood & thunder approach thinking he could blast GGG out. He failed miserably. GGG made one mistake he should had started his fight back a couple of rounds earlier. At the bell to end the fight the more relieved boxer was Canelo. He was out on his feet exhausted GGG was fine he was not hurt at all could easily have gone 3 more rounds I don't think Canelo could have
    Really although he robbed him blind Canelo made GGG a very rich man. Canelo just couldn't beat him legitimately . Of the two the boxing fans put GGG ahead of Canelo same way they put Pac over Floyd
     
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  14. BCS8

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    I think that this was definitely Banks' influence showing. Canelo's strength is smacking guys coming in using their own momentum to amplify the effects of the punch. In their first fight he caught GGG a few times like that. I think the strat was to try box Canelo, wait for him to tire and then turn it up late. It might have worked 5 years ago but Golovkin has lost too much speed and snap. I think he should havetrusted his chin, turned it into an inside brawl and forced Canelo to empty that gas tank.
     
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  15. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think his stock went down more from the Derev win than it did the Canelo III loss TBH.
     
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