When Fury bodybags usyk

You're an intelligent guy, figure it out.

 

One sprinter in human history runs a sub 10 second 100 and that means forty is prime? gotcha.

 

Tyson Fury won't just beat Usyk he'll obliterate him and make the world of boxing bow down at his feet. Statues will be erected globally of The God of War Tyson Fury. National Holidays will be announced. Shrines, temples and churches will be built to honour him. Haters will be mocked on boxing forums for the rest of eternity.

 

Remember how we all thought this fight might be announced in the ring after Fury V Chisora 9 weeks ago.

There's obviously something not right behind the scenes. I'm half waiting for the "fights off" announcements.

 

No but there's less subjectivity in sprinting, it's a sport where athletes tend to peak earlier than in heavyweight boxing and there is objective precedent for an athlete being older than Wlad being in his prime. It discredits the idea that age in itself determines prime, with prime being a murky and multifaceted concept anyway. A better indicator of prime is the quality of your performances.

21 year old Tyson was in his prime

22 year old Wlad was getting KO'd by Purrity, 26-28 year old Wlad was getting KO'd by Sanders and Brewster, 29 year old Wlad couldn't stay off the floor against Peter

Bowe was well past his best at 28 and finished at 29

The average age of the current heavyweight top 5 is 35 (Fury 34, Usyk 36, Wilder 37, Joyce 37, Joshua 33)

A 27 year old heavyweight in his championship debut, stepping up massively in levels in the A-side champion opponent's backyard, is not likely to be prime in this era.

 

Both statements are off point as both AJ, Ruiz and Wilder are credible opponents. The Wlad Fury fought was better then the one who lost to Sanders and Brewster, but a little past his prime.

 

"statement that if Ruiz beats Wilder, Furys career is basically beating a past prime Wlad."

Why would this be the case? Wilder has been brutally KO'd twice in his last three fights by Fury, he may be a greatly diminished fighter now in some respects. By the same standard, does Lewis's win over Holyfield become irrelevant because Ruiz went 1-1-1 with Holyfield straight after? And if the Holyfield win is irrelevant, what else is there on Lewis's CV, aside from getting KO'd by McCall and Rahman and getting an inconclusive win over Vitali? (Fencik himself expressed this sentiment in the past). The Wilder wins, particularly the 2nd, were excellent wins at the time, regardless of what Wilder goes on to do years later.

Fencik's hyper-critical and one-sided standards don't really make any sense, any boxer can be painted as being rubbish. My responses are partly tailored to some of his previous hyperbole.

Why would Usyk be a very good, good or even a decent win for Fury by his previous stated standards? Losing to Ruiz even after getting KO'd multiple times by Fury apparently discredits you as a fighter, so why isn't Joshua (2/3 of Usyk's best wins) already discredited? Ruiz brutally took his 0 after all and AJ's lost confidence since then. And yes AJ beat Wlad but Fencik doesn't rate Fury's win over Wlad highly due to age/circumstances, so why would AJ be legitimated from beating Wlad 17 months later at 41, coming off a layoff, in a life and death, in Britain? Green pro AJ was a big favourite to beat Wlad after all, a one-sided demolition was regarded as being very much on the cards.

"As if it wasnt widely known and regarded that Wlad was past his best for years prior to the Fury fight"

Was it? After the Pulev fight (12 months prior to Fury) several experienced boxing analysts I've listened to (Kellerman and Lampley, Rafael, Hatman, Dwyer) were saying that Wlad was either as good as ever or better than ever. Wlad at 22, 26, 28 or 29 may well have been more athletic but Wlad in his late 30's was a better heavyweight boxer.

It's also one-sided to speculate that Wlad was past his prime against Fury (and by how much? Was Wlad 99%? 60%? 20%? It's not easily quantified, if it's even possible) but that Fury was in his prime, despite being far younger than the current HW top 5, in his world title debut, stepping up massively in levels, in his 2nd fight away from home, as a clear B-side and 4/1 underdog.

Wlad wouldn't have fought Fury (even at home) if he believed he was in significant decline given that his old trainer said that Fury was the next dominant heavyweight, nor would he have signed a 5 fight TV deal extending past 41 four months prior to Fury if he believed he was close to retirement.

 

Wlad looked terrible against Jennings. People thought it was just a bad night, that is why he was favored. Turns out he was shot, as his next two performances confirmed. Fury still turned down a huge amount of money to duck the rematch.

 

Wlad wasn't "terrible" against Jennings (who gave Joyce, who you apparently rate highly, a much closer fight in Britain), the American judges gave Wlad 9-11 rounds, Jennings didn't win a single round unanimously and did little head damage. Jennings was Wlad's fastest moving opponent since Haye, the opponent with the longest reach Wlad had ever faced up to that point, had a vast amount of Wlad fight footage to study and Wlad had been fighting as a big A-side in Europe for 13 consecutive fights, getting away with unlimited grappling. People expected another Pulev-style demolition, so they were disappointed when Wlad merely schooled Jennings in a Sultan-esque letdown. Perhaps Wlad was also overconfident or underestimated Jennings as Jennings was a relatively light puncher who had scraped by Perez with a SD in his previous fight, whereas Wlad had recently produced a career best performance and never looked more destructive.

Wlad wouldn't have fought Fury if he believed he was in significant decline given that his old trainer said that Fury was the next dominant heavyweight, nor would he have signed a 5 fight TV deal extending past 41 four months prior to Fury if he believed he was close to retirement.

Compubox stats (NOT GOSPEL BUT A VAGUE OUTLINE)

Wlad 144, Jennings 110

Wlad 52, Fury 86

2008 (PRIME?) Wlad vs Thompson

Wlad 121, Thompson 150

Wlad sparring partner Thompson was the most similar fighter to Fury that Wlad faced in his career: awkward southpaw boxer, 6'5, 81.5 inch reach, 247.5 lbs. It's relatively easy to look great when you have a significant advantage in height, reach, weight and athleticism, which puts fights like Wlad-Chagaev and Wlad-Byrd in perspective.

If Wlad was shot against Joshua then Joshua went life and death with a shot Wlad, who had been shot for at least the last 2 years (was he shot against Pulev too?) plus 17 months inactive, plus in Britain with the deck stacked in Joshua's favour. And this was a Joshua who hadn't had his confidence destroyed by taco tits, such as the mentally shot Joshua that Usyk beat, who gave Usyk two of his four toughest career fights. So by your logic Usyk's really done nothing of note in his career, not a single decent win. But for what it's worth, neither he nor Fury have been KO'd x3 in their very athletically non-shot 20's by a journeyman and two gatekeepers.

Fury was right to deny Wlad a rematch

Even if Fury hadn’t become a morbidly obese alcoholic and cokehead, he’d have been right not to give Wlad a rematch:

1. Fury was Wlad’s mandatory, which under normal circumstances means no rematch

2. Wlad tried to stack the deck in every way possible

3. Where was Povetkin’s rematch?

4. Wlad gave Fury no credit, sore loser

5. A-side Wlad lost by 8-4/9-3 margins according to the judges in Germany (and wider according to most neutral observers), Fury had nothing to prove

6. Fury would have got little credit for beating a 40+, more worn, dethroned Wlad in Britain in a rematch and had Fury won by a less clear margin (let alone lost), the narrative would have been that Wlad 1. Had an off-night in Düsseldorf 2. Lost due to being past his prime

7. Fury denied Wlad a chance to avenge his loss or even improve on his performance and salvage his pride and reputation by going out on his shield, which hurt Wlad a lot more than losing again because there would always be a “What if?”

8. Dethroned Wlad went on to go life and death with Joshua in London 17 months later coming off a layoff, which raised Fury’s stock more than beating Wlad again and retiring him

 

You are as big a shill as miniq. everything you post has one agenda.

 

Pots and kettles come to mind. The reason why you loathe Fury more than any other fighter is because you're an Eastern European tribalist (pro-Povetkin, pro-Klitschko, pro-Usyk, pro-Briedis etc.) who is immensely bitter that Fury schooled and clowned your favourite fighter Wlad. Hence moronic, nonsensical statements like "Fury ducked Pulev to fight Haye".

 

There's one other guy that's very sensitive when it comes to hate Fury or speak high of Usyk...