The Best Of Larry Holmes Versus The Best Of Joe Frazier For $1,000,000,000.00

not to mention Gerry Cooney who had that 6 -5 frame and a better left hook than Joe's. The only reason Larry had problems downing him was because of his hulking 6-5 frame

Joe was more your typical sized 1960s heavyweight like Quarry and Bonavena and you can bet Larry isnt going to lay on the ropes for Joe

Look at the Cooney fight when Gerry got Larry into a corner. Larry put on a burst of hand speed and got the %$# out of there and boxed the rest of the way

Larry is too smart to let his back touch the ropes

and because he is a superior strategist to Ali with a superior right hand, he will win this fight mid to late rounds tko

 

past his prime Larry Holmes vs. FOTC Marvis Frazier

this is why Joe cannot win: Larry's big right hand

For anyone picking Joe, let's not kid ourselves. Joe is not going to take reams of right hands and emerge victorious after 15 with just a few bruises; he's going to need rescuing

Holmes wins in brutal fashion

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Here is an excellent article written on the matter: Why Frazier Would Have Beaten Holmes (tripod.com)

 

Because Marvis=Frazier right?

 

That writer was sorely mistaken saying that Joe is going to have real success getting under Larry's jab

Did Ali not nail Joe in fight one?

Another mistake the writer made was saying larry didnt have the power to stop Joe

Larry has the power to stop Joe, and is tough enough to outlast Joe

All we need to do is refer to his efforts with Shavers, Weaver, Cooney, Berbick, and Norton. He outfought all of them and shouldnt have major problems with a one handed in fighter

Look how easy he bombed out his son. He was trying to show mercy by waving the ref in early

Joe should last considerably longer but he doesnt have the tools Larry had

Remember, Larry belted out the hulking 6 - 5 Cooney who is bigger than Joe and carried a more powerful hook

Honestly, I think Larry takes him in ten

 

That must explain why Holmes struggled with mediocre opposition as opposed to Ali who blew his competition (in his prime) out of the water.

 

You mean Cleveland Williams?

He was over the hill. Ali even said so in front of Cosell

trust me, there is no way a one handed in fighter will whip a multi dimensional fighter like Larry

Superior movement, height, reach, speed, jab, right hand

The defensive tactics he used on Marvis, he'd use on Joe and there's no reason not to believe they'd work on Joe because Foreman used these same tactics on Joe.

 

I wasn't referring to just Williams. Guys like Liston, Terrell, Folley, etc. Holmes very rarely, if ever outboxed guys as effortlessly as Ali did. He often had to go into the trenches and wear his opponent out.

Trust you? The same guy who made a new account, and faked his death because he was an embarrassment? If you told me the sky was blue, I'd have to run out and check for myself.

1. You're an idiot if you think Frazier was one-handed. His right may not have been as good as his left but it did it's job. Watch the 2nd Quarry fight and tell me Frazier didn't have a right hand.

2. Norton, Weaver, and Snipes were nowhere near the caliber of Frazier yet all these men gave Holmes all he could handle and then some.

Ali also had these advantages in their first fight and guess what? He got his ass kicked.

Except Holmes was nothing like Foreman and didn't have his power to keep Frazier off of him.

 

Thanks good points!

 

If Norton wasnt near the caliber of Joe, then why was Kenny ranked above him in March 1973?

What a dumb statement "Norton, Weaver, and Snipes were nowhere near the caliber of Frazier ",

" His right may not have been as good as his left

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what's that supposed to mean?

It means a weak attempt at trying to make the most of a useless weapon. Larry wouldnt have to worry about Joe's right hand because he HAS NO RIGHT HAND

Joe was also known as an open target and you know what Larry's going to do?

BSing and play on the ropes waving Joe in?

he's going to play fungo with Joe's head

Like Father, like son, they both go down (Joe would last till round ten)

 

Really good article and interesting it was written by someone who saw both fighters at the time. He makes many good points and is certainly more knowlegeable than me. The only aspect I think is a chink in his argument is that fact he openly admits Frazier had one style and would not vary it for a Holmes fight. Again I would say that if Holmes fully prepped on the fight and had a good plan he was the more versatile and maybe intelligent fighter. This is not to guarantee a Holmes win but I do tend to favour a fighter who I feel can change his game plan in the heat of the moment.

 

Joe gets inside the jab and pounds the body. Larry slows down and Joe scores upstairs. Larry's heart and toughness enable him to last the distance but he is outworked for a UD loss