The Best Of Larry Holmes Versus The Best Of Joe Frazier For $1,000,000,000.00

Are you naturally this stupid or did it take years to perfect?

In March, Frazier was rated in the WBA, top 3 minimum along with Ali, and Ellis (most likely number 1 or 2) (Source Clipping from The Times-Tribune - Newspapers.com)

and rated number 2 by the Ring. (Source: Clipping from The Record - Newspapers.com),

while Norton was ranked 7 and 6 by the Ring and WBA respectively (Source: Clipping from The Columbus Ledger - Newspapers.com) AFTER his big win over Ali.

Care to actually dispute it with facts? Oh yeah, you can't and you won't because it's inarguable. Frazier was much better than all three of those men and you know it.

Just further demonstrating your stupidity. Repeated cliches from casuals. This "useless weapon" busted Quarry completely open, and gave him one of the worst beatings he'd ever taken in his career. He'd frequently counter Quarry's jabs with an overhand right, and it took it's toll, rendering Quarry a bloody mess. If you actually watched these fights, you'd know this.

Ali had that mentality in Manilla. See how well it worked out for him.
"Somewhere about the 4th or 5th round Joe hit him with a right hand—I didn't think Joe could tie his shoes with his right hand—and Ali pulls back and says 'You don't have no right hand, you can't do that.' and bing! he hits him with another right hand. Suddenly Ali had to think 'Well there are two hands in this fight on the other side'—that was very important."

Completely untrue. Many of his opponents all spoke about his defense and said Frazier was very difficult to hit. Chuvalo stated Frazier had the best defense out of anybody he'd ever faced.

"Best defense: Joe Frazier, believe it or not. He was very hard to hit and bobbing and weaving was natural to him. He’s recognized as a great fighter, but not many people compliment Joe on his defense. The uppercut was the only shot he was really susceptible to, as we seen against George Foreman. Joe was excellent at avoiding straight punches, which was the reason he gave Ali so much trouble in the first fight. He slipped the punches and closed the gap."

The closest fighters to Frazier that Holmes fought were Norton and Weaver..... both of whom had an inferior defense to Frazier and Norton didn't "play fungo" with them. As a matter of fact, he went life and death with them.... just as he'd done with much of the rest of his mediocre opposition.

 

This Mark Dunham clown. He used to be red rooster (one of the biggest jokes on the forum) a while back, then made up some bogus story about Rooster running his mouth (the only believable part of his story), and getting killed for it.

 

What’s the 1,000,000,000.00 got to do with anything?

 

Not that the subject isn't compelling for its own sake but the $1,000,000,000.00 is more than eye catching and makes for good click bait. In part, it made me give it a look in perhaps sooner than I might have. Clever. OP might or should work in advertising.

 

I love Larry but the 1970 -71 Joe may edge him by decision .. I also feel the same Joe does the same w Holyfield but more decisively ..

 

Not likely

Ellis could not be ranked 1 or 2

If you'd been around at the time, you would have a better sense of timeline of events

Ellis lost to Joe and Ali

So what could Jimmy have done in that time to vault him to #1?

So that is a false claim you threw at me and we should dismiss it

Ali had just lost to Norton so Norton jumps OVER Ali to the number two position

and Joe would rank three behind Norton

Therefore, Norton WAS ranked over Joe and your original claim is also invalid and should be dismissed

 

What defense?

It almost looked as if Ali couldnt miss Joe's head with the jab and right cross

Everyone had seen Foreman with his left jab get thru to Joe's head. Cosell included, and made mention of it

After KD1, George maneuvered Joe into a corner with his jab. It was easy! And then he bombarded him until he caved in.

Again I ask, WHAT DEFENSE???

Do you ever tell the truth?

 

You're just upset because you need a way to smear me. If you had a strong case, you wouldnt have to resort to personal insults

Like I said; no right hand, and he was an open target. He even had a reputation for it at the time

the Foreman fight showed his limitations

 

I was referring to Frazier who was 1 or 2.

Pretty rich coming from the guy who says the following.

I legitimately don't even know where to start with this.
1. That's not how ratings work you dimwit. This just might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this site and that's quite the accomplishment.

2. Norton's win over Ali was at the very end of March, literally the last day, so he wouldn't get any ratings boost until April.

3. He did get ratings boost but he only moved up one spot.

4. I literally provided the ratings already you clown.

In March, Frazier was rated in the WBA, top 3(most likely number 1 or 2) (Source Clipping from The Times-Tribune - Newspapers.com)

and rated number 2 by the Ring while Norton was ranked number 8. (Source: Clipping from The Record - Newspapers.com),

Norton moved up one spot being ranked 7 and 6 by the Ring and WBA respectively (Source: Clipping from The Columbus Ledger - Newspapers.com) AFTER his big win over Ali.

Now you've gone from stupidity to dishonesty.

Norton was never ranked number 2 nor ranked over Frazier in that time period. You can't even claim ignorance because I already provided the ratings for the designated time period, and even with this information at hand you still repeated your false claims.

Not only are you a coward, and terrible poster, but a liar as well.

 

Except the hundreds of punches Frazier slipped and countered.

Foreman missed quite a lot before he hurt and knocked down Frazier, which he resorted to illegal tactics to do, and Frazier was basically out on his feet after the second knockdown. Even so, he still avoided many punches. I suggest you actually watch the fight (13) George Foreman vs Joe Frazier I YouTube - YouTube (given your immense hatred of Frazier, I'm surprised you don't have an entire television dedicated to this bout).

Also, Frazier was never quite the same after TFOTC and his defense had deteriorated by a fair margin from his prime.

Frazier had the highest heavyweight slip and duck rate (as far as I'm aware of at least) against the most accurate heavyweight of all time. Sounds pretty good to me.

The irony is overwhelming.

 

This is the same guy who faked his death after making a fool of himself, and blatantly lying about something easily refutable. Are you really surprised?

 

Yes and no (he's a troll & so obviously not bothered about disguising it, that being taken seriously clearly isn't his objective).