Why is Frazier an ATG?

If you're meaning to visit South Yorkshire Pug, stay clear of the South bit. Now I think on it, you might want to give the Yorkshire bit a wide berth as well in fairness. Apart from all of that, it's alright. The last word of that previous sentence is pronounced 'oreight' and yes it's the rest of the ****ing UK who can't pronounce words correctly.

I lived in New Zealand for from 2009 to 2011 and their indignance at being left off of maps is still funny now tbh. Awesome country though if you ignore them playing wanky wanky at the sheep markets. I'd probably have emigrated tbh had my grandparents not been terminally ill.

My family are also Irish on my maternal grandmother's side. Fled the famine I believe in the 19th century. And my great grandfather was from Merthyr Tydfil, the hometown of Howard Winstone. He was a good amateur himself, a flyweight I believe. Five foot one tall bless him.

I like a Dad joke myself. A Yorkshireman living in Spain has no gravy for his Sunday roast and all the shops are shut. So he knocks on his English neighbours door and says 'Ast thi any Bisto?' and his neighbour says 'Get lost you cheeky Spanish twat'.

 

Cheers Pugguy, damn good post from you.Indeed Jimmy Young was never short of courage.
To regularly fight nuclear punchers like Foreman,Shavers and Lyle revealed a true fighting spirit.
In fact,Ken Norton was hardly a walk in the park for a so-called ''non-puncher '' like Jimmy.
That Young invariably gave these guys all the trouble they could handle is a testimomy to his
technical brilliance.
Given the courage and skill Young clearly possessed,it was strange that he adopted the tactic of
sticking his head outside the ring during the Ali fight.A tactic that unfortunately cost Jimmy the title.Had
Young held the title he would be given the acclaim that his sterling qualities so richly deserves.
Let's hope this exceptional warrior's legacy is eventually acknowledged on a wider scale.

 

I dont see anything special either

Bugner was large but tame, no fire. typical british heavyweight

Quarry could never win the big one and often bled while running out of gas, to the more athletic competition

ellis was too small and unlike Jimmy Young who showed he could deal with larger elites like Norton, foreman, Lyle, and easily beat Ali

Bonavena was pretty good, had excellent stamina but seemed to lack coordination, one of the more crude heavyweights

Mathis never went anywhere. Not sure how he got to a title shot

and Chuvalo was nothing more than a stepping stone, as you mentioned

Personally, I would rank Joe between 20 - 25, his ranking hurt mostly by a lack of versatility and his poor showing with Foreman.

 

Lol, Tin. I’ll try to find that small patch of land between the South and the Yorkshire that is Utopia and pitch my tent.

I love the Dad joke - Span-Yorkie?

NZ is in on my hit list also - beautiful looking country. A mere 3 hours flight away. I’d swim it except for the sharks.

Thanks for the info about yourself, very interesting - like a young Bob Fitz, stopped over in NZ for a bit, could’ve pushed through and stayed in Australia - where the world’s first triple world champion was honed and perfected. Not just a contender, you coulda been a World Champ, Tin!

Could’ve tried our Pavlova and Lamingtons too - of course our little Kiwi bros try to claim credit for those recipes - they should’ve been called Land of the Long White Lie - just kidding my “even further down under” brothers - I’ve seen Once Were Warriors - I’m not about to start any trouble and mess with you guys.

I worry about the education of our American friends though. My boys loved internet gaming - very good at it and equally good at sledging and slagging off too - they put me to shame.

They beat this American kid online one time - after the game, the US kid said “Who cares, we kicked your a** in WW2! My boys retorted “We were your allies, idiot!” Scary. I’ll never forget that little gem.

Family trees are interesting. I’m lucky that my dear departed Dad had already done all the hard yards on research. I’ve got English, Irish, Scottish and a nice ladling of ice cool Swedish up the family line.

Though, even despite their propensity to an au naturale state of existence, the Swedes can be so bloody boring as Hale and Pace hilariously showed us years back. Lol.

You could glean from my posts that I talk a LOT - ‘tis true, it’s in the family genes but I can type fast also. Ha.

 

Couldn’t agree more with all that you said Eagle.

 

Cheers Pugguy.

 

He had a decent career on his own without the Ali fights, but just look how people gas up Ali as if he was untouchable at his best, it's almost embarrassing sometimes....
But obviously anyone who could fight on more or less even terms over three fights with such a mythical legend deserves the same type of *** kissery we bestow upon Ali.
If anything, Frazier should be #2 AT, right behind Ali

 

If George Foreman had never taken up boxing, Frazier WOULD probably be regarded as #2 or #3. People don't forgive those losses because of what destructions they were.

 

Yeah it's a damn shame about foreman

 

Would have liked to have seen Frazier v Patterson but don’t undermine his wins over Bonavena, Ellis, Quarry,..even old Machen is a good win as well as Chuvalo. Let’s keep in mind people think Fury is hot **** and only beat two fighters of note.

 

Dumb and dumber.

 

Naming 20-25 fighters better than Frazier, preposterous.

 

If you look at the great heavyweights of history, they generally didn't attain greatness by beating other great fighters.

Most of them attained greatness through consistency against elite fighters.

In that respect Frazier has got it.