Holyfield or Usyk? Who is greater?

Evan Fields is nothing more then a cheat everything he did has an asterisk next to it.

 

Canelo.

 

Holyfield's longevity is legendary. I think Usyk beat a far better cruiserweight division, but Holyfield's heavyweight run is incredible. Wins, losses, draws. Fought multiple generations of heavyweights. Beat multiple HOFers. 4-time champ. Multiple title defences. Came back from losses. Should be the oldest heavyweight champion in history

Usyk would have to fight well into his 40s and stack the remainder of his 30s to the 9s to even come close. Maybe I'm not respecting his amateur achievements and understanding the context of the amateurs in Eastern European boxing culture but idc

I'm not a Classic guy who rates random 80-15-15 1930s welterweights over Floyd, but I DO respect the past. If Usyk beats Fury (not that the fight will happen) he barely breaks into the top 20 boxers ever - and there's an argument he doesn't

 

That would be a great fight or two.

 

EHs is an ATG & his resume is one of the deepest in history ... of any division ... but he also has a number of losses , dubious decisions and a very questionable relationship with PEDs.. it depends how you define greatness but in my opinion if Usyk beats Fury & unifies his second division he edges even EH for me.. As great as Holyfield is he should have two losses to LL, lost to Bowe twice, went 1-1 with Moorer, 1-1-1 with Ruiz & was schooled by Toney & Byrd.. don't get me wrong I think Usyk would struggle with some as them as well but I think he would do better overall..

 

Holyfield is the way greater, the opponents he faced and won against are way above the very few good, but not great Usyk faced. Questionably positive for PEDs in an era when maybe all were on.

 

A couple of great fighters. If Usyk dethrones the legitimate H/W champion of the world in Fury, I'll consider him on par with Evander.

Usyk was Olympic champ at H/W. Evander would have been at LH had he not been DQ'd but he still medaled. Usyk's Cruiserweight run was more impressive but you need to understand that Cruiser was essentially a second tier division back in Evander's day. After unifying the major titles, it was time to go. Evander's longevity at H/W & willingness to take on all comers is unlikely to be matched by Usyk but I'll consider them on par with each other when & if Usyk goes Undisputed at H/W. Like Evander did against Buster Douglas. Usyk's ability to win on the road (which, let's be frank, is the toughest thing to do in the sport) is unique to him.

 

IMO Holyfield is the greatest CW of all time IDC. Unless you wanna throw Marciano in there as really, truly he was a CW as well.

And this is no knock on Usyk, as he's a phenomenal future HOF'er, ATG even.

 

Usyk's the better CW and a better fighter H2H, but Evander's HW run was legendary and the sad fact is the current HW landscape doesn't have the fighters to elevate a guy like Usyk to Holyfield's level.

 

Personally can only decide once Fury happens.... If it does.... Fury is the other great at this level so that would really influence my view on it and be the best yard stick .

 

Usyk probably edges Holyfield at Cruiserweight, because he unified in a stronger Cruiserweight division overall than Holyfield did. Although i would say Qawi has a good chance of beating any of Usyk's best wins at Cruiserweight, and giving Usyk all he could handle aswell.

As for rating both fighters in their overall career including Heavyweight, then Holyfield is still a great fighter atm. Holyfield has wins over Bowe, Tyson, which are by far better wins than a win over Joshua. Holyfield beating Bowe is the equivalent of Usyk beating Fury, because Fury/Bowe are rated similar in the all time Heavyweight rankings IMO. Although Holyfield did lose to the trilogy vs Bowe a win over Bowe is still very good, plus Holyfield has other filler wins over Holmes, Foreman, Moorer, Mercer, Douglas. Stewart, Dokes, etc.

Holyfield just has so much more depth to his resume than Usyk does, and whilst Holyfield did ruin his record by carrying on too long. I still think he rates higher than Usyk overall in the all time P4P rankings.

 

He lost to Byrd and Toney when he was 40+ after a long grueling career. So we have to take that into consideration, and maybe consider that those losses shouldn't count against Holyfield when evaluating how high he ranks.

I certainly don't think Usyk beats a prime Lennox Lewis, especially not at 37 years old like Holyfield was. And i wouldn't be totally convinced Usyk could beat even a mid 90s Mike Tyson, or a prime Bowe for that matter. Nor does he beat Chris Byrd at 40 years old.

 

Usyk can't beat half of the those Evander did. That's why all the Usyk sectarians (there's surely one who's pissing gas while reading this thread and being under the nickname of "the fair one"), are so limited in even discussing here and they talk about his amateur career - really great one, but amateur. As a professional, he faced few very good and that's all. Not belittle his achievements, just not overexaggerating them.

 

If Usyks greater than EH he certainly has not proven it yet. EH walks through Usyks resume, not sure if the same can be said the other way around