Fury vs. Usyk is OFF, says Usyk's manager

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It's true, but on the other hand, UFC is the only elite organization currently. It's "elite", but officially - elite. Sure, there're others, but are like 2nd class organizations. So it's easier for him to do. But in any way, is a good example how the boxing federations must proceed, yes.

 

At this point anyone who defends Fury over this is an enemy of boxing. Alongside Bowe rather chucking his belt in a bin than face Lewis, this is the worst duck in boxing history. Only trolls and those beyond help can claim they are still Fury fans after this.

 

Again I think this whole thing is pantomime, if the fights off who does Fury fight in April? Surely Frank will be aware of public opinion.

I think the fight still happens and gets announced at the game.

On a side note, why are we not keeping all things Fury Usyk in the original thread? All these threads relating to the same fight are really getting on my OCD

 

Assuming this isn’t brinkmanship or a carefully orchestrated charade designed to hype the fight...

1. Fury is unwilling to ever fight Usyk

2. Fury is willing to fight Usyk but only after Usyk is older, more worn and more quantified

3. Fury is willing to fight Usyk but only when he can extract the maximum possible revenue

4. Fury is willing to fight Usyk now but Usyk is demanding something which is unacceptable to Fury (50-50 or a rematch clause, plus a pro-Usyk % split in the rematch if he wins)

Elaboration:

1. The fight will never happen and Fury hopes that Usyk loses as soon as possible so he’s no longer under pressure to fight him.

2. Fury is also getting older and more worn with every fight that goes by and while it’s currently unknown who is the “older” fighter in terms of overall decline, Fury will be just as gigantic in the future while Usyk won’t be as fast, so stylistically the fight could very well be easier for Fury down the road (plus Fury will have the added benefit of more heavyweight footage of Usyk to study). Furthermore, if Fury steals Ruiz from Wilder next while Usyk fights Dubois, Fury’s fight carries virtually zero risk and would result in minimal wear or new data (Fury’s only additional motivation being to do a better job than Joshua did in Ruiz 2), whereas Usyk’s fight would carry greater risk due to Dubois’ size, footspeed and power and would very likely result in non-minimal additional wear for Usyk. A further benefit of delaying the Usyk fight for this reason is ageing, wearing out, studying and demoralising potential contenders, while allowing them to add to their records and build their profiles (assuming that they don’t lose and remove themselves from contention), Joyce perhaps being the best candidate here (who will be 38 in his next fight after Zhang and 6-8 months older again in his fight after that: he’ll wonder whether he’s ever getting a title fight before he’s 40 despite stopping current WBA mandatory Dubois, which is very frustrating).

3. Usyk defending his titles against Dubois in London will further build his profile in Britain following the high-profile breakdown of the Fury-Usyk undisputed negotiations and add to his heavyweight record (and give Queensbury another heavyweight title fight sooner rather than later), while allowing the Fury-Usyk undisputed fight to further “marinate”: people will be even more desperate to see Fury-Usyk in 8 months time (assuming that one of them doesn’t get upset before then), even if many/most will hope that Fury loses (and Fury will probably be less heavily favoured then as he’ll be perceived by many to not want the fight against the dangerous Usyk, making it seem more competitive and compelling). Fury also gets another substantial, almost zero risk payday and title defence against former unified champion and Joshua-conqueror Ruiz (well known and regarded in Mexico, The USA and Britain) in the meantime, while guaranteeing himself another 8+ months at minimum as heavyweight champion. Provided Usyk and Fury win their next fights, Usyk’s team will be back at the undisputed negotiating table in short order, perhaps even more willing to make concessions.

4. Fury doesn’t want to be contracted to fight Usyk again because assuming he beats Usyk, there are highly lucrative fights (Joyce, Joshua), even for minimal risk (Ruiz) out there for him, whereas Usyk naturally wants another (by his standards) enormous payday and chance to beat Fury. Fury understands that he has a tendency toward complacency, that he performs best when it’s do or die, so without the safety net of a rematch clause. And probably more importantly, Fury may not be able to fully get up for a rematch if he beats Usyk convincingly in the first fight, giving Usyk a much better chance 2nd time round. Denying Usyk a rematch clause can also be interpreted as an attempt at psychological warfare. And any potential pro-Usyk split in the rematch is a non-starter because 1. Fury is a far bigger commercial entity 2. Fury is taking the vast majority of the risk, financial and reputational 3. That rematch would be more lucrative than the first fight 4. Fury may well not even want a rematch clause.

Fury knows that as long he beats Usyk, whether he beats him in April 2023, June 2023 or December 2023 will be virtually irrelevant in the long-run: he’d have Usyk’s name on his record, Usyk would still be 36 (younger than Holyfield in the Lewis rematch) and Mayweather-Pacquiao was pushed back 5 years, nine fights and two Pacquiao losses, one by stone-cold KO, yet in May 2015 it became the most lucrative boxing match ever and most boxing fans believe that Mayweather would have beaten Pacquiao in March 2010 regardless, when the fight was first theoretically supposed to happen. Whereas if Fury loses, the legacy damage is massive and any credit he received for fighting the “featherfisted cruiser” would be minimal to non-existent.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mayweather-v-pacquiao-2010.628086/ (10-3 Floyd)

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/prime-mayweather-vs-prime-pacquiao.651943/ (46-38 Floyd)

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mayweather-jr-v-pacquiao-2009.627458/ (35-33 Floyd)

 

Imagine there's a 4th reason...

 

Such as?

 

I think, this. He wants Usyk to be as damaged and old as possible before fighting him. If Usyk survives Dubois and Joyce, he will be damaged goods when he fights Fury.

Meanwhile, Fury will fight the likes of Eric Molina, Mahmoud Charr, Joey Dawejko etc... Because he is the Gypsy King.

 

That’s wishful thinking at best. Team Usyk have never been into that sort of thing. In fact they have always been such straight shooters that many boxing fans kept calling them boring. Egis Klimas is absolutely not the slimy Warren-type guy who plays mind games. quite the contrary - he always seemed annoyed with others who do so.

Klimas openly claiming the fight is off is as clear and official as it gets.

 

Still think this fight gets announced on Sunday at the football.

 

Being a boxing fan is miserable

 

If not Usyk, Fury should fight late sub Andy Ruiz on April 29th. Would be peak trolling.

 

F4ck Fury. He Is a C_nt.

Absolutely gutted that fight didn't get made.

Everyone prepare for Fury to fight Whyte again and then bad mouth Usyk on how Usyk didn't want the fight.

 

WAIT A SECOND. Where's the announcement by Fury that he's not taking the fight? Is there a deadline in place for signing? Why all the excitement?

 

I told you. It will never happen. 70 vs 30 is an insult for Usyk.