Felix Cash vs Austin Williams - June 10 // London

Is it that hard to stay on topic...last 3 pages basically have nothing to do with this card.

 

should have had wins over Helenius and Whyte, Parker. Solid wins against the likes of against Pulev, Takam etc. Respectable performamces in defeat to Vitali, Haye and Usyk. European, British & commonwealth champ. Ranked high in the top 10 nunerous times. If you can't admit he was fringe world level at least then you aren't being honest.

And I wouldn't say he's been a poor heavyweight division at all - W Klitschko, V Klitschko, Fury, Usyk, Joshua, Wilder, Povetkin, Haye, etc.

 

Comparing wilder to holyfield haha

 

Sorry Kojak, we are terrible people (looking at the floor emoji)

 

What's wilders best 3 wins?

 

As in best performances in Wilder's unfinished career (rather than just looking at quality of opponent), these are the three I'll go with:

Stiverne 1: world title debut, never gone past 4 rounds before, expected to be “exposed” by many, close to even odds, step up in level of opponent, 12 round near shut out UD with one KD (Stiverne had never been knocked down in 26 pro fights) against a short and slow footed but heavy, big punching, iron chinned, determined, aggressive, experienced, trash talking, heavyweight champion, Wilder became the first American heavyweight champion in 7.5 years: by far the longest world title drought in the storied history of American heavyweight boxing

Ortiz 1: 7th consecutive defence, step up in level of opponent, ahead 85-84 on the scorecards, 10th round stoppage with three KD’s (Ortiz had never been knocked down in 30 pro fights) against a heavy, determined, skilled, experienced, Pan American Games HW gold medallist, heavily hyped, explosive southpaw counter puncher, 30-0 contender and future 2x world title challenger, 214 lbs Wilder came back from being hit with a flurry of flush bombs in the 7th and didn’t get knocked down

Breazeale: 9th consecutive defence, brutal 1st round one-punch KO against a defensively challenged and slow but tall, rangy, heavy, heavy handed, determined, rough, Olympian and 2x world title challenger, Wilder got rid of Breazeale 6 rounds earlier than rival Joshua

 

Just checking, you aren’t actually Wilder himself are you, because having Dominic Breazeale as a top 3 win for someone you claim is an elite, ATG heavyweight is shameful and embarrassing.

 

What are Bowe's top 3 winning performances? What are Vitali's? What are Joshua's? I'd put journeyman Kevin in Joshua's top 3 because of the way he dispatched him and who Kevin went on to go the distance with.

It's the manner he got rid of Breazeale and the context (wanting to upstage Joshua and doing so ruthlessly, which by Joshua's admission contributed to his flaky psychology against Ruiz), not the quality of opponent (Ortiz 2 was obviously much better in that respect). The same is true of the wins over Helenius, Stiverne 2, Liakhovich and Manswell. From the perspective of Wilder's prospective opponents these KO's are quite terrifying, and demoralising from the perspective of the other men who did far less well against the same guys.

Breazeale: 7 with Joshua, 1 with Wilder

Helenius: all 12 with Chisora and Whyte, 1 with Wilder

Stiverne 2: 6 with Joyce post-Wilder 2, 1 with Wilder

Liakhovich: 9 with Helenius, all 10 with Ruiz post-Wilder, 1 with Wilder

Manswell: all 10 with Boswell, all 8 with Chagaev, 1 with Wilder

I didn't claim that Wilder was an "ATG" (his career isn't over yet), I claimed that he was top 4 right now and an elite KO artist. I've also claimed than on accomplishment as I see it, Wilder's a top 6 heavyweight in the last 20 years.

 

Let me shorten that for you sir.

1. Shite

2. Shite

3. Utter shite.

 

At least Wilder didn't get KO'd by shite/utter shite, like Lewis, Wlad and Joshua.

 

Rahman and mcall are a lot better than anybody wilder had beaten. Wlad and Joshua? Not arsed haven't been discussing them.

 

No they were total shite (by your nonsense standards). 24-5 crackhead who lost to fringe contenders Williamson and Gomez and an 8 years boxing experience greenhorn who lost to J. Ruiz, Maskaev x2 and the post-J. Ruiz Holyfield. You're only boosting these "bums" because they sparked Lewis out with one shot.

 

Lennox lewis is well better than tyson fury and has a well better record mate. Suck it up. Come to terms with it.

 

Lennox Lewis is a long retired boxer who was not regarded as a "true great" in his own time, 10-20 years later many regard him as the GOAT. He was "glass chinned", "excessively cautious" and had a "thin resume" even post-Holyfield 1.

Fury is already more highly regarded at this stage of his career than Lewis was at the same point. Fury has shown more confidence than Lewis, a better chin, a better engine, better skills and so on. 10-20 years after Fury's retired he'll be rated above Lewis if he continues on his current trajectory.

 

Glass chins don't walk on to bombs from vitali and shrug them off. If Lewis was short of confidence he wouldn't of jumped straight back in with Rahman and went right through him with ease, he'd of boxed cautiously surely?

He's more highly regarded? By people like you maybe who bizarrely rate wilder so highly. People are just more easily pleased/impressed in this barren era with social media hype etc.