Fury vs. Usyk is OFF, says Usyk's manager

Originally Usyk & his team were adamant they wanted 50/50 for the undisputed fight. Yet folks said he should meet Fury's demands to make the fight

But apparently, they were willing to meet Fury's demands of 70/30 (or call his bluff depending on your interprtation) to make the fight.
But given that Team Fury cannot seem to accept a 70/30 split for the rematch if Usyk wins - which given the above seems like both a thoroughly reasonable request, and a shrewd chess move in the negotiating mind games - that tells me a couple of things

1) Team Fury are going to keep changing the goalposts in the negotiation, even when Usyk agrees to the main fight demands
2) If Fury was so confident about winning why would he even care about the rematch contract?

Do people think that Usyk should keep bending over for whatever goalposts shifts Team Fury bring up and not lookout for his own interests?

If Usyk was to win, and be undisputed with 2x wins vs Joshua followed up by handing Fury his first loss, why in the world would anyone expect Usyk to fight a rematch at 50/50? That doesn't make any sense at all!!

 

Just to make you fool, as you live on polls and likes, so I gave you one as well - happy? Sad (dosser).

 

I spent so long arguing with lordlosh on here who was adamant Fury didn't want to fight Usyk. My response was don't be daft of course he does.

Oops lol

 

Quack quack <3

 

It seems that even rudimentary logic can be challenging to a lot of Furyettes.

I've seen them trying to argue "how come Usyk agreed to a 50/50 split for the Joshua rematch when Joshua had no belts after the first fight". How severe a case of idiocy must they suffer from to forget that the deal for both Joshua fights were signed before the first fight?

 

just cause you drop the belt in an undisputed fight - the wbc, which youve held and defended doesn't mean you're suddenly bringing nothing dude. 50/50 split rematch. 60/40 at wembley is fine too. forget the belts as your foundation of your argument.

the belts have been brought to the table. one more or less from either side in the rematch isnt a thing.

50-50 rematch wembley

maybe usyk can haggle in dubai for a majority . where the rematch was set - was that known? why would warren go for 70-30 usyk at wembley?

 

fury ducked the fight with the 70 -30 clause but his bluff was called. team usyk dropped the ball with a 70-30 wembley and gave fury an out. team usyk shouldve gone for 50-50 rematch (if uk) then fury wouldnt have had an out

 

That's not how it works, mate. First of all, in boxing, resume and achievements are king. Second of all, it's all about the context and the momentum. In case beating Fury, Usyk would be the reigning and undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, coming off three huge wins against the previous unified champion and the previous WBC belt holder.

In a scenario like that, especially if said previous WBC belt holder low balled him to take an insultingly low 30% for the first fight, why would you argue that a beltless and no longer undefeated Fury deserves anything more than 30% in a rematch he wanted to scrap anyway like a week or so ago?

It's crazy how much concessions Usyk made as the reigning unified champion, no matter how insulting the newer and newer demands were, and still there are some who try to create narratives how he was at fault for the collapsing of the fight. No other unified champion in history ever accepted a 30% deal to fight a one belt guy. Nobody, ever. And yet, here we are, and some of you push this nonsense about what more he should have done after making compromise after compromise, ignoring insult after insult.

Absolute madness.

 

I already tried to explained this, but some only seems to hear what they want to at a certain point.

Rather than listen to the full interview (and process a full argument) they want to argue over sound bites and ignore the rest.

 

Yeah Jake Paul is a celebrity boxer. Achievements mean squat. Brings the cash.

Context and momentum? Floyd earns to this day - where's his momentum?

Usyk brings quality, the ability to beat Fury and the three belts for undisputed. So that should be factored in. But that doesn't mean a possible 50 - 50 total split over two fights in the UK, regardless if he has a extra belt in the second.

ballpark 60-40 ish total over 2 fights is reasonble - that is if he went with a 50 -50 rematch split reagardless. but that's all debatable. had he lost he'd get 70-30 total over the two fights in the UK. kinda low balled, but it doesnt sound so bad then.

Anyway my argument is mainly usyk's team ****ed up the negotiations by being hardline on the 70-30 rematch. that's the argument. they're not negotiating with a brick wall. they're negotiating with a difficult person. 70 -30 killed it.

 

Fury would always have had an out. When he refused a 60/40 for the winner, most people thought "that's it, he pushed Usyk to far - Usyk would surely say f*ck off then now". But then came the 70/30 thing, which made people think "right, this is not even funny anymore, it's an insult - SURELY this is the end of the road, the fight is off". Then Usyk, to the surprise of everyone, said fine. It boggled the mind, I've never seen anything like that in boxing before.

Then came the no rematch thing. People at this point were not even laughing anymore. Yet, Usyk gave in yet again, for the umpteenth time.

Why is it so hard to understand that when after all this, as Fury went back on his word again and wanted a rematch, Usyk said enough is enough? It's not about the percentages, it's the principle. There was ALWAYS going to be something. Always. 99% of champions would have walked away after the 60/40 for the winner thing was declined. Another 0.99% would have walked off at the 70/30 thing. Usyk made concession after concession and it was never enough - you could see a pattern. No matter what Usyk agreed, a new demand came right after, something contradictory or downright insulting. As Usyk said: What's next, I should fight with one arm tied behind my back? I should fight without gloves? His father would be the referee?

I can only reiterate my previous conclusion: madness that we are discussing this whole thing from this angle of "what Usyk should/could have done more". Absolute madness.

 

Totally wrong but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

entirely correct, cheers.

 

what do you think about poking the bear on the rematch clause? Agree Fury low balled usyk, and shoulders the blame and is a duck, but the 70 -30 seemed like it was clumsy. Potentially 50-50 total income over 2 fights for Usyk in the U.K. Even if it's an SD or something. but that last part isnt the crux of my personal issue.

question is: how realistic does one need to be to get the damn fight made?

and hell, do we even know all the bits in the contract anyway