I'm completely disillusioned and apathetic towards someone being "Undisputed"

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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    The only thing that really matters is making the big fights happen, and that can happen with and without the belts, and poor fighters can have belts.

    Also, as proven with Wilder, you can defend belts against poor opponents so your belt means literally nothing, except you're maybe better than average opposition.

    I'm not gonna look through history at how many belts someone had at one point, I'm gonna look at who they fought, and being undisputed any some point doesn't make you necessarily better than someone who was never undisputed.

    If undisputed involves you having to wear garbage belts like WBA where the likes of Dubois become a mandatory, then it's irrelevant.

    Usyk may as well just vacate if he's forced to take crap fights against Tommy Fury level opponents.

    The very fact that some people think that it's somehow means you're less of a champ if you don't have belts like the WBA is ridiculous, because a belt is only worth what you had to do to get it.

    IMO if you fought a lot of big fights against good opponents, you could be the best in my eyes, even if you don't have a belt like the WBA, who allow fighters like Dubois and Bryan to challenge for it.
     
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  2. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What we should be getting is Joshua V Wilder and Fury V Usyk.

    What we'll actually get is Joshua V Franklin, Fury V Ruiz, Usyk V Dubois and Wilder V nobody

    But then they'll say "next fight will be a big one, promise". Cue 6 months of negotiations and then it falls through at the last minute.
     
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    007 373 5963 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm really just apathetic towards Fury, as well as any other top 5 heavyweight who decides to fight Ngannou instead of a legit opponent.
     
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  4. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And this is ultimately because all you really care about seeing is Fury vs Joshua
     
  5. fruitandnutcase

    fruitandnutcase Member Full Member

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    I don't think it's possible to unify belts and be a fraud in boxing. It's a litmus test I rely on and believe works 99% of the time

    Winning a belt? Yeah nah. Just look at Boo Bum; never beat a champ in his life

    But unifying? You have to be legit to do that. Whether you unify your belts one at a time or win them wholesale from another unified champ, it's a genuine accomplishment

    Undisputed is the final level of unification. It (generally) means you're seeking out the best

    Otherwise this thread is just attacking alphabet titles and sanctioning bodies, which is perfectly fine, but has been done to death with no change on the horizon
     
  6. Thunderstorm

    Thunderstorm Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk walked way first fury is the undisputed champion by default
     
  7. BenUndertheradar

    BenUndertheradar New Member Full Member

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    Wilder vs Dave from accounting.
     
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  8. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    There are 4-5 champions per weight class. Best way to assure youre fighting best competition is to fight rival champions. Anything else and youre a gimmick.

    Look at Tank. He's been hyped to the gills and he's fought LSC (drug him up in weight) and literally nobody else. During the past 5 years he's ducked Loma, Haney, Teo, and is finally fighting RyGa albeit at a CW and a rehydration clause.

    Undisputed is the only way to go at this point imho
     
  9. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Well, that would surely be the fight that most boxing fans really want to see.

    I'd like to see Usyk vs Fury, but I'd prefer Joshua vs Fury because it's 100% going to be entertaining as hell if it happens, where as Fury vs Usyk could be good but it likely wont be as entertaining as Joshua vs Fury, inside or outside the ring.
     
  10. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It completely depends who you speak to - casual boxing fans who watch big fights on sky sports - perhaps.

    Posters on here who are more interested at a deeper level - probably not.
     
  11. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure even some seasoned boxing fans would prefer Joshua vs Fury because it would be an entertaining fight regardless, and a decent boxing match also.

    Joshua vs Fury simply has more entertainment value.

    Fury wont ever get in Usyk's head - This is respectable but makes Usyk less enjoyable to watch outside of the ring, but the "gloves are off" scenarios are more entertaining when there's drama, and there will definitely be drama between Joshua and Fury.

    Outside of the ring Joshua and Fury is DEFINITELY better. Inside, it will probably be better also. Someone is getting KO'd definitely.

    Fury vs Usyk could be good, but it could end up being very boring.

    Joshua vs Fury atmosphere is guaranteed to be better also.
     
  12. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Usyk is undisputed
    I don't view Luke as champion any longer
     
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  13. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So apathetic you’ve posted about a thousand words on this thread alone.

    A pathetic.
     
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  14. James Page

    James Page Active Member banned Full Member

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    We need to go back to the 3 belt era and stop recognizing.the sham WBO belt. It only became a thing because of Wlad, but in reality it is nothing more than a glorified NABF title
     
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  15. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WAR DAVE!