Larry Holmes vs Usyk

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I'm predominantly Ukrainian and love both these guys but Usyk doesn't stand a chance against a prime 78-81 Holmes
     
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Uysk is writing his legend now.

    Holmes looked like **** against inferior fighters and ducked others.

    Don't know what to tell you. I think you know in your heart that Usyk is not going to get badly ricked by Snipes, or go life and death against Carl Williams, or lose to a LHW.
     
  3. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Where do you rate Holmes & Usyk all-time?
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    Right.

    So let us see how his career plays out.

    It’s not over yet.

    We don’t know what’s going to happen in the future.


    Usyk also looked inferior to lesser guys than Hearns.

    No, I don’t think that Usyk would get rocked by Snipes.

    I also don’t think that Holmes would have gone life and death with a guy like Briedis.


    The LHW you’re ignorantly referring to, was an ATG fighter, who proved in those fights that he was a credible HW.

    They were also extremely controversial decisions, and when Holmes had fought 50 pro fights at HW, instead of only the 4 that Usyk has fought.


    So we can do this all day if you want.

    If you want to denigrate Holmes by spinning things and not allowing for context, then I can do the same.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    Really?

    I think it would have been a great fight.


    I hope that Red doesn’t see this.

    You’ll be receiving an onslaught of southpaw statistics for your pleasure.
     
  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Uysk didn't go life and death with Briedis. He won a very good fight handily.

    The first Spinks right was not controversial.

    I think we have agreed that we will see how Usyk's career plays out, so I am going to stand by my answer and leave it at that.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes would be on the lower end of top ten heavy.

    Uysk isn't done yet, so I am not rating him at heavy. As a pound per pound, he is already elite.

    But this is s a head to head analysis.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The *insert fighter's name* struggled against or looked inferior against a lesser opponent (s) argument can be applied to every fighter :facepalm:
     
  9. Loudon

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    No, he didn’t.

    He didn’t win it handily at all.

    Many people wanted a rematch.


    The Spinks wins were highly controversial.
     
  10. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man, for someone in the top ten you sure do talk about him like he's crap lol.

    Surely, ranking Holmes #5 isn't so far-fetched, seeing as you have him as high as that anyway?
     
  11. Boxing2019

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    The best jab vs the best head movement

    Might be a draw
     
  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Yep. I stand by it 100%
     
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  13. CooperKupp

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    Usyk HAS shared the ring with someone EVERY bit as great as Holmes in Wladimir. An intense sparring session that showed him as Johnny Nelson put it… “Bossed Wlad” Yes sparring is different than squaring off under the lights but the way Wlad spars (HARD) it’s not THAT much different.

    BTW… Usyk didn’t ‘Struggle’ against Chisora. Derrick had his moments early (Mostly pressure and threw shots mostly blocked) but Usyk almost got him out of there a couple of times late. Breidis was a good tough fight, but that was PRIME Breidis at his best and Usyk still clearly won.

    Now Holmes NEVER fought a southpaw as good as Usyk with that kind of gas tank. Name one…

    I think it would be a good fight and Holmes would have his moments yes, but I also think Usyk’s superior intelligence and movement would win the day and aid him in picking off Holmes more and more as the fight progressed.

    Usyk Clear UD

    And of course classy Larry after the fight. “And Sinth we on live air… da judges and DAZN slime can kiss muh big behind!!”
     
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are simply wrong on both counts. Only the second Spinks fight was controversial. He won the first close but clear.

    You can do a poll on Usyk-Briedis if you like. They have been done on here. Usyk won a good fight handily.

    It seems some of the reason you are so far off on what you are saying is that you haven't watched the fights. Good luck to you.
     
  15. CooperKupp

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    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

    YDKSAB
     
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