Is there anyone who could school 67 Ali?

Sports Illustarated also measured his hand speed and came to a similar conclusion.

 

There have been advances in nutrition and training but evolution doesn't evolve so quickly that reflexes would be markedly different from one generation to the next.

 

Cause he was a fanboy, didn't I already say this ?!?

 

I didn't gloss over them. I give Tyson zero excuses for his loss to Douglas. What does he, or Foreman, or anyone have to do with Ali in his prime getting schooled by someone? Ali never got schooled even when he was way past his prime (other than the Holmes disaster which was partly due to illness/parkinson's). It's an absurd idea.

My point still stands. Using old versions of fighters getting schooled as evidence a prime Ali could get schooled is flawed logic.

No it doesn't undermine my point, it means Lewis did his job convincingly beating an unmotivated old fighter. If an old Hoylfield nearly beat him In a rematch despite getting schooled before, it doesn't mean Holyfield wasn't old and past his prime. That's not how that works.

I never said Wladmir was on a poor run, I said he was past his prime. Are you seriously comparing a 40 year old fighter to his 20 year old self? The fact a 40 year old Wladmir held the title so long without losing was a combination of a weak era+Wladmir being an elite skilled fighter+Getting away with a jab and grab strategy where he didn't get deducted points somehow. Hopkins looked good at 50, does that mean he wasn't past his prime? Pacquiao beat Thurman in his 40's, does that mean Pacquiao wasn't past his prime? Nobody with an ounce of boxing knowledge would agree with you. Make a poll if you want, you won't win.

 

Was the synchronizer he used to measure the speed a "fanboy" too? And would you agree relying on your opinion to say another person's opinion is of no value because it's biased is nonsensical?

 

My comment was refferring to you being the biggest Tyson fanboy who ever lived. Making excuses for all of his losses, and flat out removing one of them. Yet you have the audacity to accuse others of being non objective. You're a clown.

 

Which one?

 

Jacobs used a synchronizer to measure handspeed:

Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.


https://coxscorner.tripod.com/ali.html


And Sports Illustrated measured his hand speed with an omegascope:


In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye.

https://coxscorner.tripod.com/ali.html

 

Also I recall Ali saying in the documentary "when we were kings" that one of his jabs was timed at 1/100 of a second. He may have been slightly off...

 

Even though he lost the FOTC his hands looked the fastest I ever saw them. Folks always point to the London fight but London was so ponderous it detracted from Ali's work.

 

Ok.......................let's change the words but it's still the same question.Where's the evidence that
Jim Jacobs was a so-called '' fanboy '' ?

 

"Joe Louis, who is my favorite fighter..."

-Jim Jacobs - Manager of Wilfred Benitez, Edwin Rosario, and Mike Tyson , owner of the largest collection of boxing film in the world, and reputed "Ali fanboy".

http://repository.wustl.edu/concern/videos/8910jz643

The internet is a beautiful thing.

 

Indeed it is !

 

That's a great interview. He's an extraordinarily bright guy.

 

Jim Jacobs was indeed an exceptional man.He managed to form a bond with
Mike Tyson that only Cus D'Amato could match.He was a terrifically steadying
influence on the young Tyson.
Had Jacobs lived longer Tyson's career,and indeed his life,would have been
so much better.