Fury - Usyk

Wilder's chin is poor. Dropped by Scroniers, Nichols and multiple times by Fury. Rocked by Ortiz and Molina. This is with avoiding all the power punchers in the divison

 

Fury has also stopped Whyte (who you rate highly), Cunningham (only stopped in 40 fights by Fury), Chisora x2 (went 12 with Vitali, Whyte 1) and Hammer (went 12 with Povetkin and Ortiz).

Who had Ruiz KO'd before he dropped Joshua 4x and made him quit in 7? Liakhovich? Oh wait, Ruiz went the distance. Zumbano Love? Scratch that one...Kevin? Oh damn. I guess we'll have to go with journeyman Dimitrenko by corner retirement and the ghost of Ray Austin...

"Wilder avoiding power punchers"

You mean those noted power punchers Takam, Parker, Ruiz x2, Pulev, Usyk x2 and Franklin?

The projection here is off the charts.

 

Ruiz only became a power puncher according to some because he made Joshua chuck it in... he couldn't stop the shell of Arreola or Ortiz who Wilder both destroyed and left as damaged goods

 

LOL at the names you listed for Wilder. His resume truly is dreadful.

I do see what you are saying. Wilder is a puncher and not a complete fighter. And he is a good puncher. All I am saying is that he has never knocked out a decent fighter so it’s hard to call him the hardest hitter of all time.

 

is Ortiz not decent? I think he is at least decent. He was good when Wilder beat him the first time

 

So Fury has only stopped one level HW (which the KD shouldn't have should as dropped by the illegal push but not punch).

Noted power punchers Wilder has ducked - Wlad, AJ, Povetkin and Whyte.

 

Never beat real world level HW. Got dropped multiple times by Martin. Ortiz was Chisora and Takam level.

 

Jesus mate don’t take anything so literally!

I like fury I’ve always said it, he has great ability. BUT he’s fought some terrible miss matches, not one or two now and then but the majority of his career. He SHOULD have beaten Usyk next (very tough fight, Usyk is undoubtedly ATG fighter but I’d favor Fury to potentially steam roll him). Then fight AJ for all the glory at wembley then bow out. Undefeated with all the belts and 100M in the bank (after paying the taxman).

But he hasn’t, not only has he made things awkward with negotiations again he’s opened up the division potentially allowing belts to be lost due to mandatory commitments which means Hearn will buy one or two of them. He’s allowed AJ etc a second chance. That alone pisses me off.

 

Fury's had loads more evenly matched matches than Joshua or Wilder though

Even when he was coming up McDermott 1/2, Chisora, Cunningham were said to be evenly matched. Klitschko and all three Wilder

Joshua has only had 3 in his whole career and has lost two, nearly losing the other one.

Fury's career has been awesome to watch so far.

 

Aside from the Wilder fights which ones would you actually watch back? Fury’s hardly a brutal KO artist.

AJ and Wilder certainly haven’t set the division alight either mainly all smoke and mirrors.

Early Fury didn’t take it seriously I get that, his run upto world level wasn’t too bad aside from avoiding Price for the British. For all the crap he gets about McDermott, big John was actually a solid fighter.

Guys like Wallin, Seferi, Pianetta, Chisora again are all terrible opponents for a guy of Fury’s Calibre.

WK-Good win but awful fight
Wilder-All good wins, I don’t think Wilder is anywhere near as bad as people say he is. First fight I picked Wilder to wipe Fury out.
Whyte-Not the worst Defence but Fury was always going to dominate him.

That’s about it, for the guy thats meant to be the top boy it’s not that impressive at all. The guys in his physical prime he should only be fighting Joyce/AJ/USYK etc guys like chisora are worse than Parker yet Parker is his sparring partner!

I’m not knocking fury’s ability I like him but I honestly can’t see how his record can be defended. As a fan we should expect more.

No different to people re electing terrible politicians and complaining about policy the week after.

 

I appreciate his consistency.

Though I don't get his contempt for Hatman who, himself, has built a channel around pedantry and contrarian views.

 

I remember the first fight vs Chisora, most did think Del Boy would win.

I was never a fan of Fury’s fighting style but he was brilliant in the second Wilder fight, that was a great performance

 

Holyfield wasn't a KO artist but fans found him very entertaining.

McDermott 1 and 2 were exciting and competitive wars

Chisora 1 was a bit one sided but Chisora won a couple of rounds and had his moments, good fight

Fury had to dig deep against Firtha and Pajkic

Cunningham was an exciting war

Fury fought wild and sloppy against Abell, made it a fun shootout

Wallin fight was high drama due to the cut, Fury went to war and battered Wallin 7-11 trying to force a stoppage, Wallin had a huge 12th

So that's eight entertaining fights by any standard in addition to the Wilder trilogy. I personally love that Wlad fight but I understand it's not to everyone's taste.

So let's compare that to "brutal KO artist" Joshua: how many exciting fights has he had? Whyte, Wlad, Ruiz 1...Povetkin, Usyk 1...

So five vs Fury's eleven.

I don't care about the Whyte win, people just mention that so they can talk about all of Lewis or Wlad's mediocre opponents. Whyte isn't even as good as 20-0 southpaw Wallin, hence he's avoided him on multiple occasions (pre-Fury when Whyte signed to fight Wallin and post-Fury when he chose the unknown Franklin instead).

Usyk is the only fight that really matters for Fury right now. If he doesn't fight him sooner rather than later it will be a bad stain on his legacy. If he does beat Usyk however he takes another step ahead as 20-0 gold medallist Usyk is the GOAT southpaw HW (most historical HW champions never fought southpaws or southpaws of any note).

 

what does Fury being a ko guy have to do with the price of cheese? In terms of entertaining? I think he's entertaining becauseh e can do so many things. How many other heavyweights in history have shown so many separate skills and different styles?

We were talking about him being in evenly matched fights which he has been in more than rivals. Also don't get how Wallin is awful for a boxer of his calibre. Wilder and Joshua (and Fury) have fought much worse. Whyte even ducked him lol

 

Wilder was ranked as the 1st and 2nd best heavyweight in the world (barring Fury) when Fury KO'd him, even you had Wilder at 4th going into the rematch. Whyte was ranked as 4th when Fury KO'd him. Cunningham was ranked at the No.1 cruiserweight in the world several years before moving up. Chisora and Hammer were hard men to stop, or Vitali, Whyte 1, Povetkin and Ortiz among many others would have stopped them.

"Push theory"

LMAO. So Whyte was Bambi on ice not because of the uppercut but because of Fury's devastating followup knockout push! Same with Wlad's KO push of Pulev I suppose!

By your own standards Whyte isn't a puncher as he has fewer stoppage wins over ranked heavyweights than Fury. And Ruiz has zero KO's of any heavyweights of note barring Joshua, so Joshua got KO'd by a featherfist by your own standards. He couldn't even stop 43 year old 2 KO defeats Ortiz, or 40 year old 3 KO defeats Arreola.