Fat Elvis version of Ali vs fresh out of prison Tyson

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  1. James Page

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    Up until Holyfield, 90s Tyson looked pretty ruthless.
    He was leaner, meaner, and had a six pack.
    And he was always praising Allah.
    Even Holyfield still had to pull out every foul in the book on him.

    Fat Elvis version of Ali took way too many clean shots, and spent way too much time loligagging along the ropes for my liking .

    Even FOTY Ali took a ridiculous amount of flush shots on the cheek and jaw and chin...he looked like one of those bobbleheads they used to give out at Giants games...

    I think 94, 95, 96 Tyson was still indeed a bad man
     
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  2. Tap Tap Makhatini

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    Tyson on points, according to most at ringside. However, the judges have it 118-111 to Fat Alvis.
     
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  3. Stevie G

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    At what stage of Muhammad's 70s career would you consider to be his "Fat Elvis" version? My take is that the 1970-75 version of Ali beats 1994-96 Tyson. I would favour Tyson for any later incarnation of Muhammad.
     
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  4. James Page

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    I consider 73 and on as Fat Elvis Ali
     
  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    I think mid 70s Ali finishes Tyson. He was super durable (as proven against Foreman and Frazier) and Tyson didn't have what it took to knock him out at that stage in his career. Ali spends most of the early rounds conserving his energy, and when he reaches the later stage of the fight, he will pummel Mike and TKO him.
     
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  6. Stevie G

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    The great shape Ali was in the second Norton & Frazier bouts and the Foreman one as "Fat"?
     
  7. NoNeck

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    No idea. None of us really know what Tyson had left at that point because he either ended fights quickly or lost/got DQ’d in a foul filled wrestling match to Evan Fields.

    A lot of the outcome would depend on if Tyson had the conditioning to complete 12 or 15 and if the ref would allow Ali hold at will. Ali was also inconsistent in the mid to late 70s.
     
  8. James Page

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    70s Ali is comparable to 70s Elvis IMO. Two cultural icons who were in their primes in previous decades, but who still performed in the 70s and were probably seen by more people in the 70s due to TV being more commonplace.

    Elvis did his best work in the 50s and Ali in the 60s, but both still performed at high levels in the 70s, they were just older and slower
     
  9. PittSteel

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    Any version of Ali from 64-74 would beat an 80s Mike Tyson.
     
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  10. Stevie G

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    I concur.
     
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  11. James Page

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    Really? Frazier got all up in on Ali and his personal space. You don't think Tyson could close that distance? What if Ali tried the laying on the ropes nonsense, you don't see Tyson making him pay for that?

    I remember Frazier hitting Ali flush and rocking his head back numerous times in FOTC, from bell to bell. I think Ali would crumble if Tyson landed on him the same way
     
  12. Pugguy

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    But the key word was FAT and Elvis wasn’t always FAT in the 70s, and still in fine voice.

    Have you seen Elvis’ comeback special filmed in 68’?

    Just as Ali was leaving the boxing scene for a while, Elvis came back to take over the iconic reigns.

    They said it couldn’t be done - but Elvis did it, exploring and achieving greater potentials in his music, vocals and stage acrobatics. :D

    As Dundee was to Ali, so too was Col. Tom Parker to Elvis. Okay, that’s not true. Parker was a conniving, deceitful parasite. Perhaps even a murderer.

    73/74 Ali was more Blue Hawaii Elvis - well, at least in terms of not being fat. Have you ever heard Ali sing? If not, I would then say don’t.

    Later, Elvis had his Karate - but he still appeared as if he never lifted a weight in his life.

    Later career, his reboots Love Me Tender Fillets and Viva Lasagne were huge hits.

    In 73, he gifted Ali a robe that read Peoples Choice via Rhinestone jewels - but it should’ve read Peoples Champion.

    It cost $3000 and Elvis was upset by the “error” in the wording.

    Anyway, Ali first wore it against Bugner, 2nd time for the first Norton fight. A loss and broken jaw later, Ali never wore the robe again considering it to be bad luck (surprise, surprise).

    Viva Elvis and Muhammad in our memories. Absolute game changers and legit Icons.
     
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  13. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Its nice to Know there are people around who think the same way. I heard "Fat Elvis" and my mind automatically thought, he wasn't Fat. I mean just look at his movement and skills. Of course he could be mistaken for some one as high as a kite but.. we will leave that part out.
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  14. Pugguy

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    I wonder how many jump suits he did split when he began to put on the pounds?

    I know, I know, Don’t be Cruel.
     
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    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Fat or not he is a Legend in my house. Usually spending at least two bottles during the season while listening to Blue Christmas on replay.
     
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