James toney at hw versus second coming of big George?

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  1. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First of all it's the rumble of the big boys, big James and big George. Both guys not known for aesthetics. Matter of fact they enjoyed eating and both could throw down like it was nobodies business. Who wins this barn burner?

    George said the bigger they are the more they could wop em with their belly. Jt on the other hand caused headaches when it came to making weight. For his team and everyone around them. So essentially this is their 'natural" weight, both great fighters, all time greats.

    Both to have walked around near 300 lbs approximately. Let's say for this sake that it's optimum weight lol, 230 to 240ish or what would you have? Perhaps you may already know their precise weight. I'm just generalizing tbh.
     
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  2. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    This is an excellent question! I feel I have to go with Toney on this. If he boxes and doesn't walk into one. But he has a great chin and is simply a better boxer than Moorer, Schultz, Holyfield and Stewart. I mean Foreman was a massive dude so anything can happen but I see James picking him apart for a wide points wins with some wobbly moments if he lets himself get cornered. James would have to be at the top of his game and the moment he gets cocky Foreman could nail him.
     
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  3. Blofeld

    Blofeld Active Member Full Member

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    I want to bump this as I think it is a good match up, come on guys let's see what you think!
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Toney would be winning on points when Foreman sets him up with the right hand like he did v Moorer, however Toney had a better chin than Moorer, I feel this would be like Morrison v Foreman except Toney would stand in the pocket more landing more shots, Foreman`s longer jab would be a problem but he just wasn`t quick enough.
     
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  5. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think the Toney that showed up for: jirov, Holyfield, r Booker, would be too elusive for big George, timing him, dictating when to take rests etc. In this case I don't think Foreman s clubbing right hand lands the hail Mary and Toney coasts to a comfortable decision.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Foreman's long jab is going to be a serious problem for Toney. I think Toney will probably slip most of his looping stuff but that jab might carry the fight on its own.
     
  7. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Foreman W via SD. He has trouble connecting big shots cleanly, but his jab, size & activity will make Toney ineffective at times. Toney doesn't have the size, footwork or power to really trouble Foreman or stop him from coming forward. He'll also have Foreman's pole axe jab and shoving tactics to worry about - leading to the busier Foreman winning a razor thin decision.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Morrison was on his bike all night vs Foreman that doesn't resemble Toney vs Foreman at all. Since Toney would be stationary and staying in the pocket, Foreman would be wailing away at Toney's arms and body.
     
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    A tight decision win for big George for me. I see him taking Toney biggest shots and giving back vicious body punches.
    Holyfield couldn't really hurt George close up, Toney won't
    James maybe gets a few rounds in the bank as the fight nears the end and GF tires.
    Both guys would look battered at the end.
    Good match up.
     
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  10. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m going a Foreman…if Peter could give him fits the smarter stronger Big George would
     
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  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    George beats him on the jab but it's the best George, the one that fought Holyfield ... similar to the Qwai fight but likely goes 12 ... Toney not seriously hurting George and too fat to be fast and volume enough ... George way too strong and knew how to use it ...
     
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  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Was about to say, would the venue be at Burger King or in the ring lol.


    I kid. I kid. Ofc Toney is very elusive but he is way more stationary than say a Morrison or Young so I can't compare Toneys style to them.


    Even with missing, getting hit by Foreman on ur arms as a stationary fighter is still risky idc how durable Toney is. Another factor is that we've never seen Toney in w someone as strong n powerful as George even in his second career tho tbf very few could compare.


    I like both but I think Foreman could pull off a close decision. Just not comfortable w anyone standing in front of Foreman the whole night who isn't Ali. Yes Holyfield slugged it out but he still had more pep in his power than Toney at hvy imho. Dont c any Toney dropping Bowe or hurting Tyson.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Toney was good at slipping shots on the ropes, punches to his arms aren`t going to do anything and won`t score points either.
     
  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Yeah I'm not sure Toney can win if he went life and death with Samuel Peter...and lost. Peter's jab wasn't in the same tier of quality of Foreman's, and he was really bothering Toney with it. A short chunky counter puncher lacking in power who will stand right in front of a huge aggressive power puncher operating behind a jab. It would get very ugly. Toney has the chin and skills to survive to the final bell, but he'd need to fight the perfect fight firing on all cylinders just to stay competitive let alone win.

    Unlike Peter who didn't just slug away the whole time, I just can't see Foreman respecting Toney at all. He just walked through Qawi and Cooper's shots like they were nothing and walked them down. He was an expert at dismantling short fighters. Foreman wouldn't agree to the silent agreement "dance" between boxer and slugger and would be mauling, shoving, throwing looping shots, targeting the kidneys and temples, etc.
     
  15. Jon1962

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    Foreman wins Toney resume at heavyweight is overrated.