Ingemar Johansen vs Cleveland Williams

Yeah, 30 years old Machen 1 year older than Williams , was on the way out when he drew with Williams,he was only Ring ranked no 2!. Four years later he would beat Jerry Quarry!

In his previous few bouts Machen had beaten
Rischer
Whitehurst stoppage
Jones
London stoppage
DeJohn stoppage x2
Dropped a 5-4 -1 decision to Harold Johnson.who hadn't lost a fight in 5 years ,and would beat Doug Jones months later, "veteran" Johnson was the reigning Lhvy Champ and was 32 years old.lol
I'll say this for you ,you are consistent . Consistently awful!

 

Machen must have been a pretty decent boxer and Williams got a draw. Not bad. I wonder how Ingo would have done against Machen.

 

Machen was never quite the same after the beating he took from Ingo. It's quite remarkable that he still achieved so much after that loss. He was quite a boxer in 1958.

 

1. OK by my hurried calculations, as per BoxRec 38 men have held the lineal world’s heavyweight championship. I’m not talking about separate reigns, I’m talking about men. I would put the great and glorious Swede 30th on that list.

2. I think some of this stuff has become sheer trollery.

 

2. Of course it is.

 

please stop.

 

Stands to reason Machen was better in 58’ than he was losing to 74 fight veteran light heavyweight Harold Johnson three years later.

significant difference in result between one round kayo and a draw.

 

Not an unfounded claim that he was a different fighter after Ingo brutally stopped him. He could easily have died in that fight.

Same claim in this vid at 11:39
Tragedies among Heavyweight Boxers - YouTube

 

The fact you need a youtuber to endorse your opinions reinforces what I previously stated (that ydksab) better than anything I could say.

You still haven't answered my question. Don't even bother at this point. I think everyone sees you for what you are by now.

 

You realize Harold Johnson was the LHW champion and he lost by a hair thin decision right? Not exactly anything to be ashamed of.

Also weren't you the one that said Williams didn't decline whatsoever after he was near-fatally shot, died 6 times on the operating table, lost ten feet of his small intestines, suffered permanent partial paralysis of his hips, and had an atrophied leg after suffering nerve damage? But Machen is a shell of himself after suffering a ko loss, going on a 7 fight win streak, before losing a narrow decision to the aforementioned LHW champion before embarking on another 5 fight win streak over all rated contenders up to the Williams bout. I'll have some of what you're drinking.

The irony never ceases to amaze me.

Never change Chok!

 

We all really dig Chok.

 

Sounds about right. Off the top of my head, I think he was better than everyone before him, excluding Marciano, Louis, Dempsey, and Johnson.

 

Why would his opinion matter less than yours? Because he makes content about boxing history on youtube? I don't see the logic there.

 

Johannson better than those before him excepting those quoted? I might be reading wrong? Or maybe you mistook his comment, or i did.

Patterson came before him and most certainly proved better. I'm not convinced he'd even beat the likes of Walcott, Charles, Baer, Sharkey and Schmeling.

 

I forgot a couple names, including those you listed. Truth be told, I was thinking of champions worse than him, and couldn't find anyone who succeeded him fitting the criteria, and had to go back. Obviously I forgot a couple of the less known ones. I think he's swept by all the above fighters you listed except possibly Sharkey. I admittedly haven't watched nor studied much of him aside from the Dempsey bout.