James toney at hw versus second coming of big George?

I could point out the life and death fights with Stewart and Cooper, the anemic performances after Foreman, or the stoppage loss to Holyfield. They aren't as comical though.

 

Seems like you are just posting hot air for your own entertainment now - tantamount to scattered, piecemeal jibes that in no way serve your initial points about Peter.

You are a well-established detractor of Foreman's - known for being easily triggered by mere mention of his name on this forum. Any time you are involved in a discussion about Foreman, it invariably leads to you exhibiting a petty, juvenile attitude on the verge of being quite weird.

I think you've reach that point right about now.

Have a good evening.

 

I'm zero percent detractor.

 

I didn't overplay anything. Toney was getting bullied by Peter whether you thought he won or lost. That's what happens when an obese middleweight hangs with a natural heavyweight. My credibility is just fine lol. Toney is the one with the crappy HW resume with his best half decent win being an ancient Hoylfield.

 

Ruiz was so solid he lost to not one, but two blown up middle weights and went life and death with an ancient Hoylfield.

We're not talking about what Peter would do in fights with Moorer and Foreman, we're talking about how Peter was as a champion. The answer is not that good.

Smith was not a champion when he beat Bruno. He beat a disinterested Witherspoon and lost the belt in his next fight in one of the worst title unifications of all time against Tyson spamming clinches. Try to keep up.

Stiverne was the poster boy of an underachieving, fatass, mediocre belt holder. He would have fit right in with the slackers of the 80's. Sorry but convincingly beating cHrIs ArReOlA doesn't scream "amazing belt holder".

Again, this isn't a h2h discussion. Seldon was trash.

Martin was trash. He won his belt due to his opponent blew his knee. He was brutally KOd by an ancient Louis Ortiz so he likely isn't beating Foreman. But again, this isn't h2h. Martin lost his very next title defense to Joshua getting KOd. There is no argument for rating Martin as a champion above Foreman or Moorer. None.

 

Bunch of excuses, bro.

 

It's about as relevant as an amateur fight given that we're discussing HW championship runs.

 

Literally nothing I wrote were excuses. You went completely off topic and got schooled for the 10th time. Nobody takes you seriously when it's a Foreman topic.

 

what abou the Rahman draw. Draws do not count for you?

Anyway, if you want to play that game. The only really decent fighter Old Foreman beat was Moorer who he lost every round too. And he lost to Morrison too.

But I do not only look at boxrec. The Peter I and Ruiz fight should count for something just as the Foreman fight against Briggs.

 

I love James Toney, but this is Big George! Not Ruiz, Rahman, or Peter. I always wanted to see Toney and Chris Byrd fight.

 

It's really that simple isn't it.

 

He beat Moorer, who was a prime undefeated lineal champion. Attempting to downplay the win by harping on about how he was losing rounds doesn't change that fact. Certainly a better win than beating an ancient Holyfield.

We're counting fights where guys got busted for PEDs now? I didn't need to look anything up on boxrec I have eyes and I know this is a bad clash of styles. Toney gets manhandled. You scream whenever I bring up fights where Toney is "past his prime" against Peter and Rahman, but it's ok to use Foreman of the Briggs fight when the guy was nearly 50? You are a biased, hypocritical idiot.

 

You are the one who has not been objective and I exposed that. Now you get angry. But it is all good.

This is head to head. So yes I do count the Ruiz fight. PEDs or not, that fight showed that an in shape Toney beats Ruiz easily. In the same way, I do count the Briggs fight. Foreman beat him easy. that was a clear robbery.

I have been objective since the beginning. You are the one with the isolated view that old Foreman would manhandle/walk through Toney. Used the Peter as the unique reference point and ignored everything else- Every time I point to fights were Foreman had difficulties (Schultz, Stewart, Moorer, Morrison) you get upset.

 

I know it's h2h. He doesn't get the Ruiz win because he took illegal substances and the record was scrubbed.

I didn't ignore anything. I referenced the Rahman fights and said you can count those as well. He looked impressive in the Hoylfield fight, but that doesn't tell us much about how he'd do against Foreman. Hoylfield was an ancient, medium punching old boxer, not a huge, heavy punching slugger like Foreman. It would be like bringing up McCall beating an old Holmes as proof McCall could beat David Tua.

All we can gather from the Hoylfield fight is that at his best Toney was sharp, quick, defensively responsible, etc but he only looked like that for maybe 2-3 fights at HW. His overall performances is often disappointing and he often failed when he stepped up. But I don't blame him, he had no business fighting at HW.

You brought up fighters Foreman actually beat and then criticized him. Fighters who fought nothing like Toney.

 

Often overlooked, but Toney was schooling Rahman in the rematch and Rahman quit at an opportune moment to leave with an NC.