Joseph Obey Joyce vs. Zhāng Zhìlěi & Denzel Bentley vs. Kieran Smith RBR.

Because Howard Foster is a POS.

 

he couldnt see the left anymore, you were about to see zhang go out and put every oz of leverage into that shot...cause thats what i would have sent him out to do.

 

Do you ask why? seriously? because the referee stepped in and gave him the "hommie protection", didnt you watch the fight?

You have to be a huge Joyce's fan if you believe that he was taking zhang's punches without problems, man.

 

Zhang is a bit reminiscent of Corrie Sanders; when a big, hard hitting southpaw spams a quick straight left even the best heavyweights are vulnerable (see both Klitschko's).

For what it's worth I think Joyce would have won by TKO if his eye had held up. I'm not too sure this result is too negative to his predicament anyway; He is 37 so time isn't exactly on his side, and he wasn't getting the big fights he wanted anyway. Looking at Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora, a loss isn't exactly an impediment to getting big fights (whilst not having a promotor willing to put up the necessary money is). I would still put him as a favourite against contenders such as Whyte etc, give him a good chance against Wilder and AJ, and a fighting chance against Fury.

 

It's true that he couldnt see the left. But that's not the reason why he was eating the left, because it was the left what closed his eye.

It's more complex than that. To start with, joyce was jabbing and moving to the wrong side. To continue joyce didnt move his head AT ALL. To continue joyce didnt measure properly the distance of zhang's left (he measured his jab properly, though, but the reach in both hands is different and the reach is longer with your back hand). He insisted in the jab, vs a southpaw who hits like a mule, leaving a highway completely open to zhang's left.

Joyce was going to get a beating tonight with his eye closed or with his eye open. Actually, he was beaten so hard when he had his eye open that his eye got closed.

Joyce has made today A TON of mistakes, not only one or two.

And zhang fought perfectly, beautifully, smartly. I totally loved it.

 

He might have done but it's clear that even without eye damage Joyce was struggling massively defending against Zhang's short straight left and he wasn't circling the right way to take the edge off it. Poor tactics from the off and a lack of preparation dealing with the angles a southpaw brings to the ring.

Fight would likely have been a scrappy ugly type of affair with Joyce landing pitter pat shots and jabs of a shelled up Zhang who keeps tagging him with eye-catching left straights and the odd hook to keep the rounds close. Probably similar to the Hrgovic fight but with more activity and lot less sharpness from Joyce. That's if the repeated left hands he takes from Zhang don't cause some other type of damage along the way.

 

you mean like in the second when the Ref literally dove in and broke it up to let Joyce recover.

 

I am a huge Joyce fan. Yes. So what?

And I don't think that Joyce took Zhangs, Bangs without some problem ...but he took them, and kept coming forward. He was still very much in the fight

Other than the eye damage, the problems weren't obviously fight changing to me at that point . Joyce is unique in that he could very well have turned the fight around.

But he did have eye problems, and he got stopped by the ref.

We'll never know the outcome had he not had the eye damage.


You see the fight your way, I see it mine.

 

Joyce isn't coordinated enough to do that anyway.

 

i think it was much simpler than that. anytime joe is not turtled up, hes open to the straight left from the southpaw position, and the overhand right from orthodox. because his head is stationary. to make things worse, his jab is predictable, like clockwork. so a schooled boxer is not going to struggle to time certain punches, depending on stance or style.

 

I agree with you on Joe's tactics being wrong this time around. The shots he took and the eye damage told us that.

But it wasn't a foregone conclusion that Joyce couldn't have turned the fight around had he not suffered the eye damage.

I personally still saw a way he could have turned it around. Zhang was starting to slow a bit even with success.


I'll have to watch the replay tomorrow.

 

Oh, my bad. I interpreted it wrongly.