the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I watched this sometime in the last year or two (without scoring it) and concur with your observations. Problem with taking the bait and slugging with Pipino is that it put the opponent in a position where Cuevas was slugging back … and that means he’s going to do major damage.

Every left hook he throws is a bomb waiting to go off … you know it’s ticking but you don’t know when the detonation is coming.

Glad you mentioned his body punching, too. As @salsanchezfan noted there’s a lot more to Pipino than just a big punch. He was usually a high-volume guy but he was also at times a patient stalker. He’s forever working to get into the right position to really let the heavy artillery fire and until Hearns came along he was a handful for anyone in the division as his dominant reign showed.

I wish Pipino-Shields would find its way back to YouTube again sometime. I watched it once years ago and would love to see it again.

 

Love watching Cuevas-Shields. Pipino was throwing hard, hard shots till the final bell, an impressive display of conditioning and stamina, to a degree rare in such a huge puncher.

 

The other thing w/ Pepino is that left hook sizzled. I thought he had the fastest delivery in the sport at the time for a big hitter. And he telegrahed a litlle but not much. Most of the big hitters are telegraphers. A very dangerous guy to fight.

 

I loved those kind of looping, uppercut type body punches to the breadbasket he would throw — not always the traditional Mexican left hook to the liver. Bazooka Limon threw them the same way. I want to say I read somewhere they either had the same trainer who taught them to box or maybe a pro trainer in common. It’s a different technique than you usually see.

 

Alexis Arguello (c) vs. Andy Ganigan, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC lightweight championship on May 22, 1982, at The Aladdin in Las Vegas.

Arguello is 70-5 per boxrec, but 74-4 (60) per the CBS telecast, and making his fourth defense of the crown he won from Jim Watt. He weighed 134 3/4.

Ganigan, rated No. 1 by the WBC and No. 2 by the WBA (in the good ol’ days when we only had two champions per division, haha), is 34-3 (30) and coming off a two-round KO of Sean O’Grady as a late substitute for Howard Davis Jr. The left-hander from Hawaii weighs 135 after coming in a pound heavy and taking it off in an hour in the night-before weigh-in (common in those days of same-day weigh-ins for afternoon championship fights like this one was).

The fight was postponed from April 3 due to Arguello getting sick. CBS televises with the always-excellent team of Tim Ryan and Gil Clancy on the call.

1 — Ganigan 10-8: He floors Alexis with 30 seconds to go with a left hand coming off a hard right hook to the body. Clean knockdown. Alexis was sharp early but Ganigan was landing some good shots, especially to the body, before he caught Arguello for the knockdown.

2 — Ganigan 10-9: AA is measured and Ganigan lands some heavy shots. He paws with his jab and wings everything else with full force. He’s a home-run hitter, not a singles hitter batting for average, haha.

3 — Arguello 10-8: Alexis’ turn as he puts Ganigan down early with a right. They go to war after with both wobbled later in the round. Gomez-Pinto round 3 won Ring magazine’s round of the year, but this had to be a contender.

4 — Arguello 10-9: Alexis is really starting to pinpoint his shots and control the distance here, but Ganigan keeps answering and battling back. But he’s also leaving himself open and Arguello is lasered in on every opportunity.

5 — Arguello wins by KO at 3:09 of the round, with Ganigan going down in the last second and getting counted out. He finished him with a barrage, starting with a hard right to the body that seemed to take the wind out of Ganigan’s sails and finishing with a left hook and right to the head as he was going down.

My card: 37-37. Official scores: 39-37 and 37-36 for Arguello and one even at 37 apiece.

Per CBS, this was Arguello’s 19th consecutive championship fight win. It would be his last as he stepped up to 140 next to challenge unsuccessfully (twice) for Aaron Pryor’s title.

If you’ve never seen this one, buckle up your seatbelt and go for a ride. It’s a great action fight with a lot of skill on display from the always classy Arguello.

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Its crazy to think he only just turned 30 before this fight

 

Calzaghe vs Hopkins

Wow what a f*cking awful fight! I missed it at the time and for some reason never got round to watching it. Finally gave it a go and wish I had saved my time. One of those fights when two great fighter's styles simply do not gel at all. I see Hopkins was deliberately trying to break Joe's rhythm but all the jumping in and then holding was excruciating. It reminded of a poor man's Mayweather vs Castillo, however Hopkins showed none of Floyd's artistry and Joe could not get his punches off. You could argue the first round could have been 10-9 as Hopkins only seemed to land two punches, albeit scoring the knockdown.

I have no idea why Joe didn't use his jab more, when he did he seemed to have more success. I tuned out in last four rounds so my scoring is probably all over the place with what others have. Joe deserved to win mainly because he was trying to make a fight of it and many of Hopkins flurries hit Joe's high guard. I can see why many found it a close decisions, but another fight where I feel I scored it closer than it was. Another fight where I think compubox gives a false impression as many of Calzaghe's combinations had little value IMO, and I say this as a fan of the guy, mainly because his approach was neutralised by Hopkins ugly spoiling. It's not nice to be hit in the bollocks but Bernard made it a scrappy brawl you reap what you so mate! Worth it for Enzo's screaming in the corner at least.....

1 - Calzaghe 8 Hopkins 10

2 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 10

3 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 9

4 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 9

5 - Calzaghe 9 Hopkins 10

6 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 9

7 - Calzaghe 9 Hopkins 10

8 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 9

9 - Calzaghe 9 Hopkins 10

10 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 9

11 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 10

12 - Calzaghe 10 Hopkins 9

FINAL Calzaghe 115 Hopkins 114

 

Vivian Harris v Juan Lazcano (title eliminator)

Round 1: 10-9 Harris
Round 2: 10-9 Harris
Round 3: 10-9 Lazcano
Round 4: 10-9 Harris
Round 5: 10-9 Lazcano
Round 6: 10-9 Lazcano
Round 7: 10-9 Harris
Round 8: 10-9 Lazcano
Round 9: 10-9 Lazcano
Round 10: 10-9 Lazcano
Round 11: 10-9 Harris
Round 12: 10-8 Harris (Lazcano is penalized 1 point for a low blow)

Total: 114-113 Harris (actual scores: 114-113, 115-112 and another 115-112 all for Harris)

I wanted to see this fight only because I like Lazcano fights. This was an eliminator for the 140 lb title and actually both ended up getting shots at a strap in their next fight. Harris against Junior Witter and Lazcano against Ricky Hatton, which was also Lazcano's last fight. This fight was not must-see, nor would I call it a good fight. I would say it was a decent fight and of course I had rapt attentiveness as I wished to see how it would unfold. It really looked - on my card - that Lazcano was starting to run away with it through 8, 9 and 10. But once he took his foot off the gas Harris took it down the stretch. Lazcano's own fault as Harris couldn't deal with the inside fighting of Lazcano. Once he gave Harris 2 feet, the round was his. Again, not must-see, but a decent fight and razor close on my card.

 

Kostya Tszyu v Hugo Pineda (jr. welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-8 Pineda (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 KT
Round 3: 10-9 KT
Round 4: 10-8 KT (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 KT
Round 6: 10-9 KT
Round 7: 10-8 KT (scores a knockdown)
Round 8: 10-9 KT
Round 9: 9-9 Even (Pineda's round but deducted a point for a low blow)
Round 10: 10-9 KT
Round 11: KT scores 3 knockdowns and the fight is stopped

Total through 10 completed rounds: 97-88 Tszyu (actual scores: 99-88 and 2 scores of 95-90 all for Tszyu)

I never saw this fight before and it was well worth seeing. Although Pineda fought very few with a pulse to warrant this shot at the crown, he was competitive. With his height and reach one would think he would stay moving popping that jab, but he always seemed to end up inside where Tszyu was king. I loved the passion of the Aussie commentators. They sounded like they were losing their s**t half the time, but it added to the fight. Again, enjoyable.

 

Chango Carmona v Fermin Soto (Mexican lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Soto
Round 2: 10-9 Carmona
Round 3: 10-9 Soto
Round 4: 10-9 Carmona
Round 5: 10-9 Camona
Round 6: 10-9 Soto
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Carmona
Round 9: 10-9 Carmona
Round 10: 10-9 Carmona
Round 11: 10-9 Soto (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Carmona

Total: 116-113 Carmona

I had only seen a couple of fights of Carmona's (The Rodolfo Gonzalez fight, the Jimmy Heair fight and highlights of the Mando Ramos fight) and wanted to check this fight out as the film quality was pretty good, which gave me a good chance to ascertain what he had under the hood. What I saw was a very sharp left jab (delivered in one's), a decent punch, a defense that was more parrying the other fighter's shots and finally, world-class body punching. Man, you could see he relished that left hook to the liver and had Soto bending at the waist several times. But still, off of this fight, I wouldn't have thought he would go on to the heights he did within a year and a half. He just looked like a solid contender. But clearly his results improved. Soto, whose record is misleading and mostly incomplete, was heavy-handed and outgunned in every department except heart. Man, you will never see a gamer performance. He was still trying in that 12th round with both eyes mere slits and severely cut under the left eye, not to mention the painful body language he was exhibiting from the body beating he had taken. I wanted to applaud his gameness at the end of the bout. Incidentally, I only gave Soto the 11th round by a 10-9 margin because, although he was officially attributed with a knockdown (I thought Carmona's foot slid out from under him), Carmona came back to have Soto in bad shape at the bell from the body shots. A decent fight but not must-see unless like me, you need to check out every fighter out of curiosity.

 

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A bad beatdown
Round one: ..ahh Ill let you watch instead.

 

Hasim Rahman v David Tua (USBA heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Rahman
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Rahman
Round 4: 10-9 Rahman
Round 5: 10-9 Rahman
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Tua
Round 8: 10-9 Rahman
Round 9: 10-9 Tua
Round 10: Tua stops Rahman

Total through 9 completed rounds: 88-85 Rahman (actual scorecards: 89-87, 89-82 and another 89-82 all with Rahman leading)

Tough going here for Rahman. Looking like he had the fight in the bag, he catches one of Tua's patented last minute waves like Izon, Maskaev and Oquendo all suffered. We could all argue if it was a fast stoppage but it is what it is. The more pertinent discussion was the final punch after the bell in the 8th that left Rahman wobbly. Too funny how Lou Duva, who was working Tua's corner, came running in like a bat out of hell after the 9th ended and no one could figure out why he was ranting as it was his fighter who landed the late punch. One could only assume it was a preemptive Duva strike.

 

Mayweather vs Maidana I

Pretty cool fight, nice to see Floyd have to work for the first five rounds or so. Also a reminder how good he is as he swept the middle rounds and also how well conditioned he is. I have come to feel the only way to beat Mayweather is to stay on top of him for the full stretch and he simply hasn't met anyone who is strong enough to sustain it, apart from possibly Castillo.

On the other hand I think you would have to be a totally uncritical Money fan boy to not feel he would have his hands full with fighters like Henry Armstrong, Aaron Pryor or JC Chavez who I feel could fight at the pace necessary for 12 rounds (and also 15!).

1 - Mayweather 9 Maidana 10

2 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

3 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

4 - Mayweather 9 Maidana 10

5 - Mayweather 9 Maidana 10

6 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

7 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

8 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

9 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

10 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

11 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 9

12 - Mayweather 10 Maidana 10

FINAL: Mayweather 117 Maidana 112

 

Vito Antuofermo v Marvin Hagler I (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Hagler
Round 2: 10-9 Hagler
Round 3: 10-9 Hagler
Round 4: 10-9 Hagler
Round 5: 10-9 Vito
Round 6: 10-9 Hagler
Round 7: 10-9 Hagler
Round 8: 10-9 Vito
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Hagler
Round 11: 10-9 Hagler
Round 12: 10-9 Vito
Round 13: 10-9 Vito
Round 14: 10-9 Vito
Round 15: 10-9 Hagler

Total: 145-141 Hagler (actual scores: 145-141 Hagler, 144-142 Vito and 143-143 for a Draw decision)

The last time I scored this a number of years back, I again had it 145-141, but the rounds I had a bit different were 8,9 10 and 11, but with the same final score. We can go on about this but I think we can all agree that it was one tough fight.