Joe Frazier has the best slip and duck rate of all the heavyweights

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  1. bboyrei

    bboyrei Member Full Member

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    From these articles - https://coxscorner.tripod.com/duck.html
    https://coxscorner.tripod.com/frazier_fl.html

    Joe Frazier vs. Muhammad Ali March 8, 1971

    Analysis Frazier: Perhaps the most famous fight in history. Slip and duck rates for Joe Frazier were about 14 to 17 a round. He made Ali miss a lot of jabs and ducked a good number of hooks. Frazier’s best round was the 14th when Ali was very active. Joe slipped about 23 punches that round, but his average is hurt by other rounds. In the 2nd round Ali could not miss, his punching accuracy was very high. I counted 6 slips and ducks that round. Frazier also had a low total in the 11th round when Ali wasn’t returning much fire and appeared to be in trouble. Frazier has the highest slip and duck rate that I have encountered.

    ''Muhammad Ali's jab was his security blanket and defense. No fighter made him miss with so many jabs as Frazier did over the course of 41 rounds. Sure he landed and scored with plenty of them, but when compared to how many he was forced to throw to land what he did, I'll bet the connect percentage would surprise many fight observers.''

    ''Not only did Frazier make Ali miss with the fastest jab in heavyweight history, he made him pay - scoring with massive left hooks to his head and body when he missed. Ali says to this day Frazier was hard as hell to find and hit.''
     
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  2. Tockah

    Tockah Ingo's Bingo Full Member

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    Patterson's jab is quicker, as is every other punch compared to Ali. I am tired of the rhetoric that Ali was demolished in the first fight with Fraizer, he landed well and effectively. Frazier ate the punishment- no doubt- but he did get it. Frazier's 'slip and duck rate' whatever that means is not as effective as you are making it out to be. Fraizer's never-ending offense complimented his less than stellar defense, this isn't a bad thing, it's just his style.

    Ali threw wide and telegraphed hooks, but these landed on Frazier, idk why you didn't mention Frazier's demolition of Ali's uppercut. Ali couldn't throw an uppercut without Frazier paying him back two-fold in the first fight, it was the uppercuts that revealed cracks in Ali's style not the hooks as much.
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Although I like the way your post was put together, the fact remains that with all due respect to Joe Frazier, Joe was defending his title against a challenger who never lost his title in the ring and had something like 18 rounds in 43 months, March 22 1967 until Oct 26 1970. Even though both combatants both gave it all they had, Frazier did deserve the victory, the question will always be asked, what if Frazier and Ali met in the summer of 1967, Ali as champion, Frazier as challenger. Sure Frazier outworked Ali, a known fact but in 1967, Ali had unending stamina, reflexes, footwork, timing and speed. In 1971 Ali was not sharp, he struggled against Oscar Bonavena on Dec 7 1970, sure Ali was slower, but he could punch hard, he was now vulnerable to get tagged, but he struggled along with the aid of the three knockdown rule in New York to gain the knockout in round 15.
     
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  4. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    Great article by Cox.Smokin'Joe's defence was badly underrated.
     
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