George Foreman (First Career) Vs Oleksandr Usyk?

A typo meant you were unable to comprehend a post, the meaning of which was still obvious to me?

 

That post can be read in two ways.

 

Yes. It can be interpreted correctly, as was obvious to me, or it can be misinterpreted, as you did.

I first explained it to you in a genuine attempt to be helpful and have no desire to engage in a protracted, petty discussion on the matter. So, I'll finish my contribution to our discussion on this matter, by saying given the context of the wider discussion, it was abundantly obvious to me what Noel meant. After attempting to belittle him based on your misguided notion he didn't realise Usyk had fought Gassiev, you really would have been better responding "oh yeah, sorry, I misinterpreted what was written, my bad" when your mistake was pointed out to you. I'd have had more respect for you if you had.

 

Or, it can be read in two ways.

We were discussing Gassiev and comparing him to past heavyweights. The context at that moment was whether he was comparable to the 70's heavies and how good he is. Therefore reading that comment that he was inferior to the 70s heavies and also probably Usyk is contextually correct.

I interpreted it correctly in one of the two ways it could be read. Perhaps he should have responded by saying "Oh yeah, I see how you got that. Perhaps I should have written it as 'I understand that Norton, Lyle, Moorer and Cooney would beat Gassiev and would probably beat Usyk too.' "

 

So why was it obvious to me what Noel meant?

 

That's how I read it too...although I don't think any of those four beat Usyk, save maybe Norton.

 

Evidently your brain is tuned into his wavelength

 

Big George would not be little George these days.

Foreman at prime was a solid 6’3” at the least - and 6’3 1/2” is very arguable.

It’s well established that young Foreman “cut weight” via dehydration - you’re nominating one of his lower weights during his first career.

On to Gassiev. He’s shorter than Usyk, the latter himself being listed at an inflated height of 6’3”.

Oleksandr is 6’2 1/2” at best, more likely an even 6’2” - obvious when one can actually see that he was dropping a good 4” to Anthony Joshua.

No way was Gassiev dropping a whopping 39 lbs from his “natural” weight to “limbo” just under the CW limit.

He might’ve been cutting a certain amount but he’s also put on a lot of extra bulk by whatever means.

 

I understood @Noel857 that way also - I’ve always understood his posts - he expresses himself very well.

 

Thank you Puggy for your generous comments.Also all the other guys who mentioned they understood what i meant even though they may not have agreed with me

 

You’re welcome Boss - I’ve only spoken the truth - as have the other guys. Take care.

 

Gosh 1/2 an inch bigger? OMG he's a giant!

It's well established that the cruisers Usyk fought and beat cut weight too. Which is why when they are at heavy they are 220-238lb. BIG George is the same kind of size as the guys Usyk has often fought and notably smaller than some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Gassiev
6'4 they say here

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659772
6'3 they say here

Source

Cutting of course, put on, also of course because why wouldn't you? You think Gassiev vs Usyk at heavy would be any different?

It's kind of cute to see folks trying to make the argument so ardently that Foreman would be something unseen by Usyk or that Usyk can in any way be considered unproven at the weight. Usyk was spanking 6'6 behemoth Joyce before he even turned pro ffs.

Some of the guys Foreman beat couldn't even reach cruiser Here for example is 213lb Foreman beating 195lb Gary Hobo Wiler

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/George_Foreman_vs._Gary_Hobo_Wiler

Surely a win for the ages!

 

This is a thing that some people miss sometimes (not saying anyone in particular) in thinking that George Foreman was some giant man, especially when it comes to fighting modern day heavyweights.

He was 6ft 2 with a 78.5 inch reach. Usyk is 6ft 2, with a 78 inch reach. Usyk has been 215 to 221 pounds as a heavyweight, Foreman was 217 when he won the title and 231 when he called it a (first) career.

Obviously Foreman hits harder, but in terms of Usyk being in trouble because he's smaller, you can throw out the window. My gut tells me Foreman wins but there are situations where Usyk could make Foreman look silly at times and when a decision.

 

A more balanced look than you will usually get in Classic.

Indeed I was going through a lot of Foreman's opponents and a bunch of them were under 200lb. There was even a 185lb fellow Usyk may even have fought bigger guys on average.

 

A similar thing came up in a Adamek vs Foreman post once. Adamek really wasn't all that much smaller than Foreman which is pretty hard to process as a long time boxing fan.