Canelo is going to Duck The Gorilla Ryder!

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  1. BCS8

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    If the odds were right I might drop a few $ on Ryder. There's an outside chance he takes this.
     
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  2. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I cant really believe what I'm reading in this thread.

    Are you high or something?

    Do you realize that ryder is a guy with 48% KO ratio in supermiddleweight? i.e. He cant punch for ****?

    Put money on ryder vs canelo? stop drinking, dudes.

    PD: I was going to add that the fight will be held in mexico. But it is not even necessary, that's ridiculous enough to think that this guy Ryder can win to canelo in Ryder's backyard. It is just not going to happen. Period.

    PD2: Ok, missed the date of the first posts. It's from 2019. It makes some kind of sense now. I thought you all had lost your minds.
     
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  3. CST80

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    He's actually got one of the nastiest punches at Super Middleweight, he vaporized Akkawy, Nielsen and Cox with his right hook, essentially retiring all three of them, and rocked Jacobs to his core and almost stopped him. Callum Smith took his punches, but was also stunned several times late. He's also one of the few that managed to hurt Saunders down at 160. So the official KO percentage is quite deceiving.
     
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  4. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Sorry, but no way in hell I'm going to buy that a guy with less than 50% ko ratio in 37 bouts in suppermiddleweight is a hard puncher. No way in hell. Never.

    If that happened, then the problem was akkawy's chin. It seems that this chin has always been pure vapour all the time.
     
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    People need to stop comparing the Ryder of old to the one from the last three years

    The improvement is immense and i never thought id see him at this level
     
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  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    But wtf is happening? Did I get into bizarro world?

    "New" ryder has 3 kos out of 5 fights. And that's taking into account that one of those kos was vs a 8-3-0 (35%ko) guy. What new ryder? Do you like vaporized guys?, you will enjoy this fight, because ryder will end even worse. That ****ing fight is a missmatch that can only end with vaporized ryder in the hospital.
     
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  7. CST80

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    How many John Ryder matches have you seen? I've been a long time fan and backer of his. Of his five losses. The Fielding, Smith and Arnfield matches were all egregious robberies. The loss to Saunders was arguably a draw, and his TKO stoppage loss to Blackwell, was ridiculous and another patented Howard Foster British stoppage special. He was always skilled, but something kicked in when he made his move to SMW, and he went into hyperdrive and has looked like a million bucks ever since. No, those guys dont have bad chins, he's just got one of the sickest right hooks in the game.
     
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  8. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Man, none. And if I did I dont remember.

    But numbers are utterly stubborn. Numbers dont lie and miracles dont exist either.
     
  9. CST80

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    At the very least, give his watch against Callum Smith a watch. IB and I scored it 117-111 in Ryder's favor, it was an utter domination. His defense is pretty immaculate for a front foot fighter adn you'll see why with his intelligent pressure, combinations and underrated power, some people are giving him a chance.
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  10. chacal

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    I have just watched a few rounds. Ok, it confirms my initial suspicions and my first comment. "People think that this ryder guy is going to win because he is going to be better than canelo in canelo's strongest skills"

    He's gonig to be deleted from this earth. Do you know what canelo does with southpaws who cant punch for ****? he eats them alive. He lets them punch him right in the middle of his ginger face and then he tears their head off.

    We will know who's right and who's wrong in a few days. I'll gladly pick my "owned" if I'm wrong. No problem with that.
     
  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    This thread could make some sense if canelo came from a loss where it has been proved that he's declining. But he didnt lose because his skills are fading, he lost because he went to a weight where he didnt belong and vs a guy who is a P4P talent.

    It is just not going to happen. We could make an argument about canelo's motivation though, but even an unmotivated canelo destroys ryder.
     
  12. CST80

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    There's yet to be one southpaw Canelo has owned, he's struggled with every last one of them. Trout and Lara he should've lost to, and he was losing to Saunders until the freak crushed by a Clenbomb eye socket.
     
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  13. chacal

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    kirkland is not good enough? and kirkland hits 1000 times harder than ryder.

    Comparing ryder and lara is like comparing an egg and a chestnut.

    And your comment only proves my point, if he managed to win to trout and lara (who are 100000 times better fighters than ryder any day of the week twice on saturday night), he's going to delete ryder from this earth.
     
  14. Serge

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    Juan Ryder has been robbed even more times than Clenelo's judges have robbed his opponents. This statement is precisely, factually, and semantically correct.

    I'm not going to lie and act like Clenelo hasn't stepped up to Brit Level before. Hell, he's even fought British slicksters before. But let's not forget that Beefy Smith gave him one of his toughest fights and BJS 2.0 slickness was causing him problems prior to the freak injury and that was a BJS 2.0 who was still in 2nd gear and was just getting into his groove. Had he not suffered the injury he was about to take it to a level of slickness Clenelo has never seen before.

    But Juan Ryder is kind of like a BJS 2.0/Beefy Smith hybrid in some ways as in he can combine British slickess and the aggressive pressure style and he's very physically strong. Hence the moniker The Gorilla. And he's been blessed with the obligatory iron British mandible.

    Has Clenelo ever actually beaten a prime full strength British fighter who wasn't shot, dragged up in weight, had a proper camp, or wasn't dead at the weight?

    Khan was boxing his ears off prior to getting clipped by lucky shot Clenbuterol bomb from hell from a 50lb heavier Clenelo

    Beefy Smith gave him one of his tougher fights and he had a terrible camp with minimal sparring after suffering a cut to his eye at the start of it

    BJS 2.o's slickess gave him plenty of problems prior to the lucky shot and the 160 version of BJS 2.0 is way better than the 168 version

    Ryan Rhodes was shot to hell and still took him to the 12th round

    Even though Matthew Hatton was a career 147 pounder, who FTR had been campaigning at 147, he couldn't put a dent in him

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    Rocky From Stocky was dead at the weight after the rehydration clause

    Sure, Clenelo bossed a dead at the weight Callum Smith but let's not forget that Juan Ryder softened Smith up for Clenelo and was robbed against a much better version of him than the corpse Clenelo fought
     
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  15. CST80

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    Kirkland is ****, and he squares up so much, no one even realizes he's a southpaw. Lara and Trout may be better fighters than Ryder, but I'd pick this version of Ryder to stop both of them in violent fashion, even then.