George Foreman (First Career) Vs Oleksandr Usyk?

And, how cleanly and consistently are those connects getting through?

Again, not saying Big George can't one shot anyone put in front of him under the right circumstances, but it's got to be flush to be a sure thing. Homer nods, so even Usyk could make a trajectory error or have a lapse in concentration, but ...I feel like he'd be minding his p's and q's here. It's one thing disrespecting what a Dereck Chisora's packing, this'd be a different kettle of fish.

 

How cleanly does Foreman need to connect with Usyk's body?

How does good work from George to the body impact Usyk's continued performance-level?

I am not sure we need wait for Homer to nod in this one. Usyk is a skilled boxer and enjoyable to watch in action. However, on the strength of what I have seen him do at heavyweight, so far (Chazz, Dereck and AJx2), reducing Foreman's odds to that of a Puncher's Chance and being reliant on Usyk making a mistake seems, to me, to be over egging Usyk's ability here.

 

Usyk has shown a weakness to body punches, hes been decked by a body punch. And the 1 round Joshua successfully went to the body he made Usyk uncomfortable.

Again people seem to be vastly overrating Usyk at Heavyweight, for beating a version of Joshua who hasn't been the same since Ruiz took his soul.

I think we need to see alot more evidence of Usyk at Heavyweight, before we start going overboard and favouring him over ATG Heavyweights.

 

You quoted a height from 6'3 to 6'5 and then were forced to acknowledge that he in fact had been listed as 6'2 elsewhere. Yeah you sound certain alright

Argue with Wikipedia

238lb is his weight at HW. How TF should I know what weight he was cutting from? Over 200lb, that much I know.

You're all over the place.

 

I don't think anybody here thinks Foreman has only a puncher's chance. Not me, anyway.

 

His cruiserweight opponents were all heavyweights by pre 2004 standards and are the same size as many 1970s heavyweights. Its utterly bonkers people think those fights are irrelevant when comparing Usyk with someone who scored his best wins in the 70s.

Many of the top heavyweights of today dwarf Foreman who is closer in weight to Usyks cruiserweight opponents than he is Tyson Fury

 

I really don't care about the comparative size argument and the post you have responded to makes no mention of it.

Why you would choose to interject into a conversation, which is more focused on the matter of mobility, to continue to express your dismay over the question of size, is beyond me.

 

I'm taking issue with your claim we need to see more of Usyk at heavyweight given everyone he has fought as a pro qualified as a heavyweight in the 1970s. Everybody he has fought is over 175 which was heavyweight back in the day. We clearly have a lot more material to work with than Witherspoon, Chisora and AJ. Why you think otherwise I don't understand.

 

Your post before last was obviously concerned with size which, as I've previously made clear, I am not interested in. This thread is not asking how Usyk would do in the 70's era, either.

Re your other issue - Witherspoon, Chisora and Joshua have never had to weigh-in at a limit of 200lbs or less.

If you do not understand why Usyk's cruiserweight bouts only tell us about his performances against opponents under cruiserweight conditions then I don't know what else to tell you.

 

Usyk by tko. It’s the Jimmy Young Rule.

 

Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

You’ve been corrected at least twice on your misinterpretation (twisting?) of statements (easily understood by anyone else), made by other members.

The listings I provided and my own clear statements re the heights I believe to be true would never have anyone arriving at a calculation of 6’1” for Ali. Only you.

There is NO listing of 6’2” for Foreman that I am aware of and obviously I didn’t nor was I forced to acknowledge such a listing,

Argue with Wikipedia? Lol. In reply to my accurate observation that Gassiev is shorter than Usyk you replied with your Wikipedia source stating Gassiev to be 6’4”.

I asked if you were “running” with that. You didn’t answer. Gotcha.

So I should presume you are running with that 6’4” listing and not critically challenging or arguing with Wikipedia yourself.. Wow.

How should you know what CW Gassiev weighed come fight time? Really? Isn’t that a cornerstone of the claim that Usyk was beating up on Foreman sized guys anyway? Lol.

A mere 1 1/2 lbs + gets Gassiev > 200 lbs by fight time. Thanks for the wonderful insight.

The only person who is all over the place like a mad woman’s excrement is you.

I should leave you to it - there are more constructive submissions to read and possibly reply to on this subject.

 

Usyk is a terrific boxer but I agree that more evidence is required.

In all possibility, Usyk’s next fight against boxer X could bring undone a number of positive projections.

I don’t wish that upon Usyk - quite the opposite actually - I’d love to see him continue to thrive.

However, while some things haven’t necessarily been proven against him = to his detriment - they also haven’t been proven sufficiently 100% in his favour as yet, - a greater sampling of opposition at HW is definitely required. Like all prior ATGs - many questions have to be comprehensively answered (not just projected for on paper) before fighter is afforded such an elite status and relative competitiveness.

Also, as far as this match up goes, if Usyk’s chances are being a bit overrated - I would also say that it seems the abilities of prime Foreman are being underrated in equal measure at the least.

 

Welcome back!

How was the ban?

 

Boring.

In essence, where we are is that Usyk fought guys that were similar in size or even larger than the guys Foreman fought. You likewise have 0 (zero) evidence that Usyk is 6'2. That is your fantasy, entirely. I have actual sources that list Usyk and the height of his opponents as being more or less the same as Foreman.

That's where we are and no amount of spinning of wheels is going to change that.