George Foreman (First Career) Vs Oleksandr Usyk?

Lol, I wouldn’t dismiss that possibility. Haha.

In an interview, when pushed, Fury himself quietly answered that he is 6’7”.

Other times he has claimed 6’9” but it doesn’t hold up against other fighters of reasonably confirmed heights. No question, he’s still a very big boy but not quite as big as advertised.

 

My networth is up by about 20k since then, so doing alright I'd say. I'm also not a snitch.

 

Yes - It's anyone's guess really, and since there's a vacancy, I'll plump for a 6' 8" Fury (seems reasonable).

 

There is no fight night weight for Gassiev vs Usyk. If you can find one, I stand corrected. You asked for an estimate, that is what I estimate.

"tRuSt Me bRo" You weighed Foreman?

Evidence that people with measuring tapes have measured Gassiev and they disagree with your tRuSt Me bRo pulled-from-your -ass estimates

Gassiev 6'3
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/229347-murat-gassiev-iron

Apologies. I'm used to the modern metric system, not the ancient imperial system where they measure crap in 5/8ths and bags of potatoes.
Gassiev 6'3
http://fightnights.com/boxer-3647

Taller that 6'2. Have you measured him? I haven't. And I'm not such a liar as to put forward estimates I did with my thumb as fact.
Gassiev 6'4
http://www.fightsrec.com/murat-gassiev.html

Like your tRuSt Me bRo estimates?

Gassiev 6'3
https://www.heavyweightboxing.com/boxers/murat-gassiev

Boxrec lists Usyk as 6’3” - so that’s carved in stone right, why even use your OWN judgment?

By the time you're done Gassiev is a middleweight

Gassiev 6'3
https://www.boxingonly.net/profile/murat-gassiev

Or ... how about this ... if Ali's height was listed as 6'2 on an official document, and Foreman is about the same height, then Foreman is 6'2 as well. Oh noes! I just shrunk your hero in the wash! How will we ever deal with this? You surely can't argue with visual evidence?

Boxrec lists Foreman as 6'3, same as Usyk.

Maybe they measured Usyk in the metric system.

If boxrec is flawed, then we have to wonder whether Foreman really was 6'3 and not shorter.

You have no actual facts, only thumbsuckery and estimates. The only point you may have is that Gassiev's height is inconsistently listed at between 6'3 and 6'4.

FACT: Usyk was about the same size and height as Foreman and he has fought similarly sized and in many cases bigger men.

 

No need to apologise mate.

I recalled Gassiev appearing around half an inch to one inch shorter than Usyk during various promo head 2 heads and during the fight itself, and thinking to myself the 6ft 3.5ins I'd seen him listed at was likely inflated. I'd estimate him at 6ft 2ins. No doubt he's a thick set fella.

 

I usually favour Usyk in H2H matches, but I don't think he's durable enough to handle the pure ferocity of a prime Foreman. George wins KO4

 

Virtually any top heavyweight from the 1970s could make cruiserweight without much trouble and without dramatic weight cuts. So why would we throw out Usyks fights there as irrelevant especially given cruiserweight didn't exist in the 70s?

Moreover plenty of guys who weigh in at 200 pounds would wipe the floor with Chisora or Witherspoon. David Haye was barely over the limit when he knocked Chisora out. How about for arguments sake we say the fight is at cruiserweight and Foreman somehow or other managers to make weight and rehydrates to 220 or so come fight time.

 

Whilst it's true that there were HWs in the 70's who had success at world level, that could fight at 200lbs in the era of day before weigh ins, Foreman wasn't one of them.

Unlike HWs of today, who typically train and diet "up", HWs of the 70's still typically trained and dieted "down". Ali, Norton and Holmes, were all bigger with heavier natural fighting weights than Povetkin, for example, despite Alexander averaging 10-15lbs more than them during their respective careers. If Povetkin had trained and dieted like those guys, he'd have likely been c.195-200lbs. If they'd trained and "dieted" like Alexander, they'd have likely been about 235-240lbs. Foreman about 250-255bs, as he was during his comeback.

Foreman especially trained down in his early to mid 20's, even drying out before the weigh in, yet still averaged around 220lbs at this time. A guy who has been training and dieting for several weeks with the express purpose to be as trim as possible, who then dehydrates himself, isn't going to respond well when he's told he needs to take off another 20lbs to make weight. Isn't going to happen, not safely, he's just too big.

Haye, Huck, Bredis, Hunter and Usyk are 5 recent examples of world class CWs, who have fought at HW weighing 209-215lbs, its likely they didn't weigh anymore, and probably weighed less, on fight night when competing at CW.

 

Lol, again, like a dog chasing it’s own tail.

Sit Abu, sit.

Boxrec is your bible from which you’re quoting and preaching. Not mine.

How does your revered source and naivety now suddenly become anyone else’s? Haha.

Boxrec can be flawed? Thanks for the news flash - gee, it took you a while to catch up, didn’t it? And now you’re all over it.

And there is no fight night weight for Usyk v Gassie? - wow, knock me down with a feather, another newsflash. I’m going to have to start calling you Scoop.

If you’re pumping for CWs to be in and around Foreman etc. sized come fight night one would expect you’d have a decent pre-considered weight estimate in mind - but not you of course. You had NOTHING.

So, after multiple requests. you pulled 15 lbs out of your own derrière.

You couldn’t execute a simple transcribing of data - so the imperial system is now to blame? Wow! This just keeps giving.

Many, young, old and in between can handle metric (which has been around a long time itself) and imperial with ease. It’s obvious you’re not of them. Why is that not surprising?

I’m not shrinking Gassiev, if you read properly - which you clearly don’t - it’s clear that I’ve always estimated him at 6’2” max.

But asking you, the reply is - “Well gee man, I dunno, how TF would I know - he’s > 200 lb and he’s taller than 6’2”. Who cares anyway man, let’s instead talk thumb sucking, mobility scooters, projected hero worship and measuring systems that I simply can’t fathom.

But trust me bro, I do know what I’m talking about.”

Lol.!!!!!!!!! The more you type, the more you prove that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Brilliant.

But enough slicing and dicing you at all levels, you ain’t worth a ban.

 

Thanks Greg. That’s about what I estimate Gassiev to be.

 

That’s more than reasonable - he’s a slouchy fella also and wears sandals/thin soles a lot whereas a guy like Wlad likes the chunky footwear.

I saw Wlad take his shoes off for a weigh in one time - and using one of his entourage as a reference, the drop in height was notable.and after he weighs, Wlad would always quickly get the chunky footwear back on for the face off. Lol.

 

Foreman would absolutely need a knockout to win and the sooner the better. If he doesn’t get it within the window of time that he needs it then Usyk wins

 

Just to throw a spanner in the works Usyk often came in around 208 fight night. Some of these supposed weight gains get blown way out of proportion IMO. I wonder why.

 

Sure it is.

 

Lol, another spanner won’t hurt. Pretty much already have the equivalent to a full tool box -

That’s what I was thinking JT.

I mean if the alleged gains are legit - so be it but it seems to be one of those “stats” that are prone to some exaggeration - particularly given the agendas you alluded to - is the 208 an estimate or at least confirmed by Usyk or his camp?

I watched Liston rematch recently - of course Ali himself came in at a relatively trim 206 lbs - he still looked big but that bit more shredded and muscular.

If that one hadn’t ended so early I personally think Ali was up for an ATG performance in the realm of his display in the Williams fight. He was really switched on.