I don’t quite agree with Loma narrative.

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  1. BoxingNovice

    BoxingNovice New Member Full Member

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    I say this as a legitimate Loma fanboy. If Haney beats Loma in 3 weeks, while he’s not beating legitimate PFP numerous uno Loma, he’s still beating an elite and PFP level fighter. And he should be fully commended for that, and rightfully shoot up the rankings.

    Loma did not look “washed” vs Ortiz. He fought a much more physically stout, very game, very underrated fighter, and implemented what looked to be a smart gameplan, but didn’t end up being one. Loma didn’t look bad. Ortiz looked really good.

    I think poppa Loma is genuinely the elite of the elite when it comes to training boxers. I do hold the possibly controversial opinion that he’s not the greatest in fight trainer. It seemed pretty clear to me that the gameplan was to tire and wear out the much greener fighter, fighting by far his best opponent and also in his first 12 round fight. By Round 5 or 6, it should be have been abundantly clear that they underestimated his gas tank. He wasn’t just going to shut down. The kid is an absolute fighter. At that point, he should have just told his son to pour on the gas, and beat the less talented fighter down. That didn’t happen until the fight was legitimately in the balance going into the 9th round.

    I think one of Loma’s biggest problems, and I think I his father plays a huge part in this, is after he got to 35 and it was clear he was going to be the smaller fighter in every bout, they undoubtedly decided to fight in a more cautious way. I think that’s wrong. Say what you want about the guy, but 2 things are absolutely true about Loma. His punch accuracy is absurd and his guard is among the best we’ve ever seen. He can get that guard up in a flash. That guard is like Cap’s shield. He needs to be ultra offensive to have any chance against Haney, imo. And he’s still more than capable of putting it on anyone in the world. I hope his dad lets him.

    if you ask me, and nobody has, I think Haney beats Loma in the same way Teo beat Loma. Maybe a loss in the damage department, but a clear win in the round department. As a Loma fan, I hope I’m wrong. But I doubt it.
     
  2. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Haney wins, it will likely be the result of his effectively employing a long, quick rhythm-busting jab to
    control distance, neutralize Loma's offense, and create opportunities for his rangy right hand. Additionally, I suspect Haney will attempt to use his size and clinching prowess to smother Loma's close quarters offense.

    Lopez's combination of power, size, and speed handcuffed Loma in the first half of their bout.

    Haney's power isn't nearly as discouraging. Likewise, his solid but relatively predictable offense should make it easier for Loma to download its particulars earlier in the fight.

    I'm predicting a 115-113 type of affair that could go either way.
     
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  3. BoxingNovice

    BoxingNovice New Member Full Member

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    Apologies. I absolutely made it sound like I was downplaying Haney’s talents in order to make my point about Loma somewhat giving the fight away. Haney is absolutely a fighter talented enough to stifle Loma. No doubt, Loma feared Teo’s power and that lead to his demise. My point was more that his father is so aware and respects Loma’s opponents skills so much, that he allows Loma to wait too long to respond. I think Loma is kind of a boxing robot in a way. He does what his dad tells him. I feel like his dad just needs to allow Loma to attack faster.
     
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  4. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No need to apologize.

    I agree that Lomachenko needs to be very offensive-minded in this fight. Indeed, I think if Loma brings the fight to Haney (a far less risky proposition than against Lopez) early and often, he'll lose some exchanges but he'll win some rounds and avoid falling far behind on the cards as he heads into the second half of the fight.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only way Haney wins is by robbery and it's not happening.


    Loma by late stoppage with great odds.
     
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  6. Easyrhino

    Easyrhino Member Full Member

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    Loma has to have a dominant win to get the decision against Haney.

    If it's a close fight the judges will gift Haney the win regardless of who won the fight like they did for Canelo's first two fights against GGG and how they almost did with Bivol and Canelo.
     
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    loma needs to counter haneys jab every time. even if he isnt consistently successful. he needs to charge a tax for throwing it, or haney will control the fight with it. make him think twice about throwing it by putting him in a situation every time he does. if he can make the jab a non factor, he is equal or better in almost everything else.
     
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  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Some good points.

    However, despite the obvious advantages Haney has on paper (size, youth etc) I 'm going to pick Loma in this one.

    I think Haney has a dodgy chin and while Loma is not a one punch KO artist, I think he can rattle that cranium a bit.

    Linares did, and if Haney finds himself in that position against Loma, he'll be in with a better finisher.

    Haney doesn't have a lot of pop, so I don't see a lot of advantage that Haney's size would normally bring.

    I also think Loma is just overall better and more skilled.

    Finally, despite the size and age difference, I think Haney will deserve a lot of credit if he manages to get the W.
     
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  9. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Isn’t Haney’s contract done with Old Bob after this one?? And I think I heard rumors that the not so dynamic duo of devin and his gross father aren’t renewing with Top Rank.

    So… I don’t the the judges will be paid off to be favorable to haney. Since Loma is staying with Top Rank.
     
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  10. fruitandnutcase

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    Loma looked fine vs Ortiz I agree. Ortiz was unbeaten and I can see him becoming a champ once the belts fragment

    Loma always starts slow and finishes strong, Ortiz is a big lightweight while Loma is a small lightweight, Ortiz was fresh unlike most guys he's beaten @ 135, and frankly people expecting Loma to demolish guys like they're Crolla are missing the point

    What's Loma's best lightweight win? Linares?

    Haney deserves all the credit if he wins
     
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  11. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Loma looked awful last time out. No way to sugarcoat it. He won purely on heart. He needs to be the fighter who beat Nakatani and Comey to have a chance against the younger and very large Haney.
     
  12. vargasfan1985

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    Loma at +200 for me
     
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  13. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Loma will have his hands full with the bigger, younger , maybe stronger and less talented DH.

    Loma can’t afford to give away early rounds and he can’t get smoother by the bigger guy.

    Loma is the more skilled but also the older and more torn up fighter.

    I think this goes to the cards and may the best man win.
     
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  14. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    Lomachebko needs a ref who wont let Dev lat all over him.
     
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  15. ShanannaGator11

    ShanannaGator11 "She said I could." Full Member

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    this is spot on
     
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