Overlooked Part Of Foreman vs Moorer

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  1. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After seeing Big George Foreman in theaters (Good movie, highly recommend) and it made me appreciate his win over Michael Moorer even more.

    Some overlooked factors.

    What is very understated is how well Michael Moorer was doing for the first 8 rounds

    The thing is that Foremans style and threat of power makes heavyweights move around the ring and exert a lot more energy than they are accustomed to.

    This makes them tired towards the end of the fight

    I don't buy the whole notion that Michael Moorer was just foolish and got careless

    I think he was tired and Foreman broke him down in his own way
     
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  2. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Movies will do that. Especially the Hollywood machine.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Haven't seen the movie but George was softening up Moorer with that telephone pole jab as well as making him be on constant guard/movement from his power. It wasn't a flash in the pan event.
     
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  4. Nosferatu

    Nosferatu Corbett's thong is my proudest fap banned Full Member

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    Both can be true. Moorer was probably slowing down, but I think it was pretty obvious that his fatal mistake was trading with George. He didn't have to do that, and he could've easily continued fighting defensively even if he was tired. Just because he was tired didn't mean he was automatically going to trade with George, it was a conscious choice.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think there is an element of truth in this.
     
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  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I'd have to rewatch it again but the way Lampley exploded I doubt anyone saw a change in the tide ... a few moments before the KO the an bouncers were basically saying that this fight proved the "legendary" Foreman power at that stage of his career was more promo than still legit .. then "it happened." Super dramatic and exciting ...
     
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  7. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Foreman didn’t break Moorer down at all. He stated that his plan from the beginning was to wait and setup the right hand. He knew Moorer was going to slip up from getting overconfident and the moment he did, Foreman took advantage.

    As far as the careless thing goes, no, Mooer was careless. You can see Teddy telling him just before round 10 began that Foreman’s plan was to setup the right hand so it would be best to fight from the outside to keep Foreman from getting too close, but no, Moorer didn’t listen and got knocked out. He did get careless and his humiliating defeat resulted in his dominating performance over Foreman to be underrated.

    It’s too bad really. Moorer had a HUGE victory right in his hands that would’ve been one for the history books and by getting overconfident it slipped away.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Dude, watch from the start of the 8th, the first half of the 8th and the second half of the 9th. Moorer had been turning away from Foreman's right all night but George started to get the timing, stop the turning and the straight rights and telephone pole jabs started to do their damage. In the 10th he was rolling on this momentum. He had figured him out and created momentum that could not be stopped.

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  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I did'n have to watch a movie to note what you just noted.
    Thats pretty much what I saw the night it happened. Moorer boxed the pants off of Big George, yet Foreman was still applying the pressure and slowly closing the gap as each round passed. Those heavy jabs of Foreman even when landed partially take their toll. Evander Holyfield has stated on many occasions that Foreman's jab does great harm and hurts like hell even when they land on the arms and shoulders.

    Teddy Atlas gets irritated and refuses the notion that the knockout went according to plan, but it exacly did go according to plan for George Foreman. He was'nt going to outpunch the younger Moorer, he was slowly and methodically going to break him down and then knock him out when the time was ripe.
    It burns Teddy Atlas that he as Moorers trainer did'nt game plan for that.

    You failed Moorer Teddy, you failed him!!!!! LOL!
     
  10. Thread Stealer

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    Moorer was outlanding Foreman and winning on points, but Foreman was landing his share of heavy shots throughout. He would move Moorer back with these slow heavy right hands, and stunned Moorer early in the 8th round.
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Correct
     
  12. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In those last 2 rounds Moorer was starting to get hurt. Foreman was clearly doing better. Gil Clancy made note of it in the commentary.
     
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  13. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman got into Moorer's head before the fight, punished him through the bout while playing possum, and stepped on the gas when it mattered.

    Can't recall who asked George why would Moorer stand still for him, and Foreman assured that at some point Micheal will be there for him to hit, paraphrasing.

    Worth mentioning that Moorer named Foreman as having the most difficult defense to get through, courtesy of his long guard. Yes, he did hit a lot, but given his age he spoiled Moorer a lot.
     
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  14. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Not the same situation but am I wrong for thinking about Graham-Jackson? Both him n Moorer were going up against a legendary puncher and could've played it more safe pun intended. Ofc Moorer didn't fall like Graham did that KO still shakes my hairs everytime. What a puncher Jackson was!
     
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  15. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Glad u liked the film Joeywill! Think I'll catch it after theaters.