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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    He, he, he, HE'S JUST SO ****ING SMALL!!!!!!

    He'd be fighting in Lomachenko's division nowadays, and getting thoroughly outboxed!!!!!
     
  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Also old Acorn Head Shavers runs out of gas too easily, Jerry Quarry on Dec 14 1973 blasted out poor Shavers in round 1. He needs modern (steroids) nutrition. Ha Ha.
     
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  4. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Today it would be number 1 (numero uno) Wilder, number 2 Shavers
     
  5. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    Despite multiple opponents testifying to virtual NDEs after tasting Earnie’s power, it’s self explanatory that those who half-crossed over, didn’t actually go all the way to the light.

    I’m assuming that the Big Guy upstairs must’ve said to those opponents : “We’re not ready for you yet, now get back down there!!

    Shavers always said his power was God given - but I’m pretty sure God didn’t want Earnie to literally kill anyone with that power.

    Therefore, the problem for Earnie was, God not only saved his fallen opponents but also sent them back with renewed vigour as a part of the deal.

    Now if Earnie didn’t hit so damn hard in the first place - just hitting hard enough for a regular, non fatal, garden variety 10 count KO, God doesn’t have to intervene.

    So, no matter how hard he tried, Earnie simply hit too hard for his “material” results to see him rated amongst the top 3 hardest punchers.

    I’m pretty sure that makes some sense. If not. that’s all I’ve got.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    I could argue AJ and Wilder above Shavers. Don't see anybody else around who fits the bill.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Because all of his fights were fixed.!!!
    The y all laid down voluntary..... Because Shavers was such a nice guy, basically they didn’t want to hurt his feelings
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    Larry was thinking about, but decided he liked been champ more than he liked Big Ern!
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The scary thing is, Shavers turned professional at 200lbs - he was a cruiserweight essentially without trying. I know what that means, but without wishing to upset anyone, he might never see HW, depending. He's 6'0 flat, I believe. That's the same height as Bivol.

    Anyway, yeah, I think he'd be the hardest or hardest equal puncher in the world. It stops making any difference at some point, doesn't it? Wilder and Shavers just punch disastrously hard.

    It's crazy to think the damage Shavers would do in a modern Cruiserweight division. Frightening.
     
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  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    No one hits harder with a single shot likely ever than Wilder and he's essentially a 215 pound fighter ... Shavers was essentially about 210 or 215 or so ... I doubt his power would not carry today ... however there are more and more gigantic monsters out there and there may be more fighters in that same power class ... we'll see ...
     
  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Aw shucks ! It's that darn modern (steroids) nutrition that is creating those powerful monsters. Ha Ha.
     
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  11. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Shavers would be the top puncher today if he were around prob even ahead of Wilder. The man had freakish power only rivaled by a few in history I dont understand the hate for Earnie, he was dynamite in punching power terms.
     
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  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I already rate Wilder higher. He gets more leverage than Shavers with his lanky basketball frame and punches faster.

    If we're limited to active heavyweights only, then 2nd would be Joshua. Say what you want about the guy, but he can crack. Not a fast twitch explosive puncher, but he's heavy handed and puts his punches together well breaking guys down with brutal shots when he lets his hands go. 240-250+ lbs of solid muscle with good timing and accuracy is going to do more damage in the long run.

    3rd, you could argue Ruiz. Not because he hits harder with individual shots, but because they are so fast and the opponent doesn't see the blistering combinations coming. So as a combination puncher, along with his tremendous weight, Ruiz is the harder overall puncher than Shavers.

    Honorable mentions to Dillian Whyte's left hook (terrible form, but it packs quite a bit of power), and Wladmir's right cross if we're counting relatively recent retirees.
     
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  13. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Shavers is pretty overblown. Sure he hits hard compared to what guys in the 70's and 80's were used to, but as time went on and modern nutrition (and steroids) became available...his punching power has certainly been reduced in terms of ranking. Its no different than arguing Ali's speed in the 60's was monstrous, but he certainly wouldn't have had such an edge over his competition if he were competing in the 80's or 90's where guys were faster than before. You could make a case for all the guys below to be a harder hitter than Shavers, largely due to the differences in size, leverage and technique,

    Wladimir
    Fury (sheerly due to size)
    Wilder
    Ruiz (arguably)
    Joshua
    Whyte
    Tua
    Douglas
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    Lewis


    I'd rate Shavers below everyone on the list with the last 3 being roughly on par with him, maybe 4 if you think Tua wasn't exceptionally strong for his size. Now if we gave Shavers modern nutrition and steroids....then there is no telling how hard he could hit and might still retain his title as the hardest puncher.
     
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  14. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You think Fury, Andy Ruiz and Whyte hit harder than Shavers, Tua and Lennox Lewis?
     
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  15. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hi Buddy.
    Not quite with you when you state that you think the speed of Ali would certainly not have had the edge over the HW fighters of the 80s and 90s, for me the Clay/Ali of say, 62 to 67 was without doubt the quickest fastest HW there has ever been, 15 rounds weighing around 15st, in some fights, Terrell-Chuvalo- he did not even slow down, not for a second, so sorry but I think he most definitely would have had the edge over them fighters, by some margin , .. but that's just my opinion.
    stay safe amigo, chat soon.
     
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