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He'd just be orthodox Ezra Sellers IMO.

 

At 6'0" and a not-very-lean 215, he'd lean out and fight at cruiser in the modern world. My god that would create some havoc.

 

I'm not doubting Shavers power but to bottle down Wilder to being a 215 lbs fighter is very misleading. He gets so much of his power using his freaky leverages being 6'7" with an 83" reach.

 

I agree Wilder has a huge frame relative to his weight and that the leverage from that large frame is part of where his power comes from, but in his last fight he was, and not for the first time in his career, under 215lbs.

 

If he went full weight cutter max he could fight at LHW.

Then again he couldn't take out some guys who'd be LHWs today...

 

Because he's called The Acorn.

 

Welcome back.

 

Ooh, you tease, you.

 

Though just 6’, Shavers listed reach of 79” was in the realm of guys whose height was around 6’3” or so - like Ali, Norton, Foreman and Holmes - and they were well reached for their height anyway.

Trained to the sec, which I believe Earnie was for Norton at least, 210 lb seemed right on the money for him.

A quick sampling of his weights throughout his career seem to indicate that Earnie never wound out too crazily - a top weight of 216 lb is what I saw - can’t say def. that he never fought higher though.

Quite muscular already. I don’t know that he could accomodate too much more without significantly compromising his functionality.

Thick arms though reading the scant tales of the tape available for Earnie his biceps were listed as 17” which I think is an obviously overstated figure.

Earnie also had large fists with notably protruding knuckles. I might’ve seen 13 1/2” for his fist measurement but can’t say for sure.

 

Who the hell still thinks weight training doesn't improve power in 2023?

Why are martial artists are so annoying when it comes to this **** man. The incredible vast majority of sports fans know next to nothing about sports science or physiology as it is and believe in nonsense like Michael Jordan having a sub 4 40 second dash, or Ronaldo being able to run a sub 10 100m "if he trained for it". But combat sports fans especially have a casual disdain for any sort of modern, empirical evidence based training. They love romanticized Age of Heroes folksy bullshido. They'd rather chop would, punch trees barehanded and run up the philadelphia steps then get their asses in the ****in gym. Life isn't anime god dammit, lift some weights and do some plyos. Give yourself scalable goals and engage in activities that you can progressively overload. None of this "muscles make you slow" nonsense. Look at Usain Bolt, or Mike Tyson, or DK Metcalf, damn.

 

Bravo

 

My Uncle bless his heart had he whipped himself into LHW shape today would’ve probably lost he’d lose a lot of the advantages he held in spades over HWs, he’d become the thing he preyed on.

 

Let me get this straight......what you in essence are saying is that Shavers could have landed those dozens and dozens of flush punches on Tyson that Buster Douglas did and Tyson would still have lasted until the 10th round?

Buster Fricking Douglas. McCall might be an even worse pick, if possible. Lewis is millllles above McCall and Douglas and well above fury for that matter.

 

While I’m aware Shavers did some weight training (by way of Jerry Quarry’s commentary during one of Earnie’s fights) I haven’t heard or read it directly from Shavers himself.

That’s not to challenge it, I believe it, but I’d like to hear/read Shavers’ own comments on it
and would be interested as to what further detail he went into the subject if any.

It would be interesting to know exactly the type of weight training Earnie employed.

It’s certainly something that isn’t mentioned often in relation to Shavers.

We know Shavers also did what might be called “old school” training, calling in manual labouring tasks such as chopping trees etc.

Interesting that many feel Norton indulged in weights also. I personally feel that Norton mainly hit the weights post career - Norton himself said he regretted having not lifted during his career.

It doesn’t matter to me if he or did or didn’t but I think Norton’s physique was more about genetic cut than anything else. When Norton faced Foreman, employing obvious hyperbole to make the point, one boxing publication described Norton as appearing like a skinny Light HW next Foreman.

I agree in so far as Foreman did appear reasonably bigger and thicker in natural terms.
Norton never appeared to have the muscle volume that you might expect of someone who threw themselves reasonably into weights.

I would say Cleveland Williams also had a reasonably natural looking physique and musculature - but if he stood side by with Norton, I think Cleve would still look that bit bigger than Ken overall - certainly much broader in the shoulders.

There wasn’t much to speak of in terms of muscle on the frame of Jeff Merritt but the man could punch - only man to put down Ron Stander multiple times before stopping him.

From the scant films of him, his delivery system and skill level were wanting but the power was there.

 

I could be wrong, but I get the feel that you don't believe the remark to be so outlandish. Which is fine, of course. Would that be correct CT?