Your life depends on predicting Ali vs Louis accurately

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  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    While I'd cheer for Louis, I would have to fancy Ali here. Historically Louis had problems with the slicker boxer types and Ali is precisely that. Louis liked to get set to throw his big thunder and Ali will not let him set his feet easily. Louis' jab could well be problematic but Ali's flashy, showy style would doubtless provide the highlights the judges would remember even if Louis scored repeatedly with his jab. Ali on points is pretty likely.
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Both at their best?
    I see Ali un 15
    He might get tagged and rocked but Ali's hands up at the end.
     
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  3. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Louis in a close decision after a war akin to the FOTC.
     
  4. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Louis, I think is overall the better natural fighter & boxer, Ali is a Stylist Classy Boxer...

    Louis would beat him often in a redundant series, however, 1 Fight at their Best, I'd reluctantly place Ali for a Points Victory 60/40 betting favourite.

    but I'd happily be wrong - Joe Louis IS the Heavyweight mould, if you ask me.
     
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  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis nearly stops Ali along the way, but Ali is just too much of a master to let that happen. He jabs, holds, jabs and tries a right hand, holds, left hooks his way to a SD. One of the judges gives it to Joe for being the constant aggressor, but most people see how Ali rallies in the later rounds with some slashing combinations and deft use of the ring, at times making Joe look near-arthritic with his speed.

    SD Ali
     
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  6. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Footwork is where Muhammad Ali outclasses Joe Louis, and that would be the deciding factor.
    Muhammad Ali UD
     
  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That would an amazing fight.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would start by writing a very clear cut will.
     
  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alternatively, just liquidate all of your assets and put it all on one or other of them to win (before taking a solemn walk to the nearest chapel).
     
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  10. Anubis

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    Ali of the late 1960's over the Louis of Max Baer via UD, all day. Damn right I bet my life on it! Louis never figured these tactics and level of mobility out, and he had from January 1937 to December 1947 to figure it out.

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    Privately, Jack Blackburn is quoted as saying "Jack Johnson would've beaten Louis, because Johnson was a mover." Joe simply couldn't cut off the ring like Foreman.

    Now he'd be dealing with 15 rounds of mobility, blinding hand and footspeed combined with effective use of reach and clinching. There's not going to be any resemblance of post exile Ali warring in an FOTC type scenario. (Ali-Frazier in 1969 with no exile would've been a near shutout for Ali, as Joe couldn't get close enough to land much of anything. Watch Chuvalo I or Patterson I for examples. Of course Frazier wouldn't have been ready for Ali until after Bonavena II established Smoke as a 15 round fighter in1968.)

    The Bomber wouldn't have a chance to pull the trigger much, since the continually moving Ali would either be out of range or clinching.

    Yes, again, having my life depend on predicting Ali-Louis accurately is about as easy as such a decision could possibly be. One punch could never do it for Joe, and Ali wouldn't freeze if hurt, or be still long enough to get nailed by one of those lethal combinations by Louis.
     
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  11. Paul McB

    Paul McB Member Full Member

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    I lean to Louis, in a fight not unlike the Norton fights. Ali would be picking him off at range with jabs, with Louis staying in the ring center, catching Ali with hard, accurate, timed shots when Ali tries to drop in the right hand. Neither man dominates and it comes down to the judges preference…Louis harder shots vs Ali’s higher volume of accurate jabs.
     
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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Good point.

    You would have nothing to loose, in betting everything you had, on whoever you picked.
     
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  13. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And more to write into your will, if you win.
     
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  14. Kishnabe

    Kishnabe Member Full Member

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    They were just using Ruiz for RJJ sake.
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

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    Fair enough.
     
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