Canelo v The Brits

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  1. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Vote from best to worst how these fighters did against Canelo
    Matthew Hatton
    Ryan Rhodes
    Amir Khan
    Liam Smith
    Rocky Fielding
    Calum Smith
    Billy Joe Saunders
    Jonn Ryder
     
  2. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Saunders.
    2. Ryder.
    3. Khan.
    4. Hatton.
    5. C.Smith.
    6. L.Smith.
    7. Rhodes.
    8. Fielding.

    People are really overrating Ryder's performance against Canelo last night. And I like Ryder.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I haven't seen the Ryder fight yet I heard some people call it "boring" is it worth a watch?
     
  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd put Khan's ahead of Ryder too. For me Khan cam up from a smaller weight vs. a prime Canelo and really made him look silly for 4 rounds. Ryder just edged 2 or 3 later rounds after being dropped twice and beaten badly in most the fight vs an over the hill Canelo.
     
  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Definitely worth a watch. Wasn't Gatti vs. Ward, Canelo never really got out of 3rd or 4th gear but there was exciting moments.

    The thing about last nights fight is it has made me question if Canelo can still go up the gears. Definitely didn't look that way in his last two fights.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Matthew Hatton - welterweight domestic level who was campaigning at 147. Hatton took everything Clenelo dished out and fought his heart out and lasted the full 12 rounds

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    Ryan Rhodes - shot but still lasted into the 12th

    Amir Khan - grotesque size mismatch between a blown up 140 pounder and a natural 168 pounder. Khan boxed his ears off prior to getting clipped with that Clenbuterol bomb from hell from a way bigger and heavier opponent

    Slick school

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    Liam Smith - terrible camp, very little sparring after getting cut very early into it. Fought like an absolute boss, taking the fight to Clenelo and trading with him. One of Clenelo's tougher fighters

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    Rocky Fielding - crippled after the rehydration clause

    Calum Smith - short notice, terrible sparring due to Covid restrictions, torn bicep and was a shadow of himself on the night. 175 Smith is a completely different animal

    Billy Joe Saunders - terrible form at 168 and is much better suited to 160. Was doing well and holding his own and was just about to slip into full Brit Slickness mode when he suffered the freak eye/cheek injury from that Clenbuterol bomb

    John Ryder - everything heavily stacked against him: Fighting Canelo in his home city in front of 55,000 rabid Clenelo fans, at altitude in the sweltering heat, on a stage of that magnitude for the first time. Shoe box sized ring which robbed him of his slickness and made it much more difficult for him to defend himself. Suffered two broken nostrils at the end of round 2 which were bleeding profusely for the rest of the fight but despite all this fought his heart out and gave Clenelo plenty of problems down the stretch and somehow managed to sweep the championship rounds and finish the stronger fighter.

    The plan was for Clenelo to come over here to fight Ryder. Clenelo said he'd love to fight over here on the shores of the tiny majestic isle of Great Britain aka the ''home of boxing'' in front of the greatest fans in the world but let's be honest he bottled it.
     
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  7. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Well worth a watch.Ryder put up a great effort
     
  8. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    This is my ratings
    1 Saunders
    2 Ryder
    3 Khan
    4 L Smith
    5 Rhodes
    6 Hatton
    7 C Smith
    8 Fielding
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Bombs were thrown, drama was happened, chins got checked and blood was spilt.
    But the pacing was... I don´t know how to word it... it was a very slow fight. It was very similar to the Callum Smith fight.

    Reminded me of Berto vs Ortiz 1. The first six rounds were absolute chaos but then it got boring, despite both guys landing and eating big shots.
     
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  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Ryder became gunshy after realizing he wouldnt end the fight if he tried his usual steamroll strategy. And canelo is a low output fighter now (and since a while). It kind of killed the fight. In 12th round ryder decided to stop being gunshy, but well.... 1 round, too little too late.

    Good fight, not a top fight. Worth it watching? I think yes, but if you miss it, well... it's not a big deal.
     
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  11. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure you could accuse Canelo of ‘bottling it’ by not coming over to the UK to fight Ryder. Doubt it would have made much of a difference. My take is that Canelo knew no one really knows or cares about Ryder and as a result thought for it at home to box off a homecoming and be back in US for the PPVs after
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He absolutely did. He even bottled it facing Juan Ryder in the US. He wanted to cripple him with the altitude and the sweltering Guadalajara heat.

    “I’ve already texted [Canelo’s trainer and manager] Eddy Reynoso to say ‘John Ryder is mandatory, let’s go in May at the Emirates’.

    “It would be a dream for Ryder, he deserves it. He is a very good fighter and he’s the mandatory challenger for Canelo Alvarez.

    “This could be our chance to bring Canelo to the UK, it would be unbelievable. We’ll see if we can get it over the line.”

    “His plan now is to go and become undisputed – that’s a fight with Caleb Plant.

    “And then from there he wants to go and box around the world.

    “He’d love to fight in the UK, I think his popularity here is through the roof.

    Responding to questions on Instagram Live, Hearn said on Tuesday: “‘Eddie, bring Canelo to Wembley’ – I’ve already spoke to Canelo about coming to England to fight next year.

    “And he would love to do it, love to fight in England.”

    He then teased a potential plan to bring Canelo over as he read out another comment: “Yes, ‘Canelo vs Ryder in February at the O2 Arena.'”

    So it may come as a surprise that Alvarez is a secret Anglophile whose ambition is to fight in this country. “I've been thinking this for a long time,” he tells Telegraph Sport. “I would love to fight there, and believe me, it's going to be soon.”
     
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  13. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s on you for believing anything that comes out of Hearns mouth. Canelo will never fight in the UK and it would never have made much of a difference anyway. Canelo would have needed to lose a few more steps first.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Clenelo said he really wants to fight over here in the UK himself. Fighting a gorilla in their habitat is way more risky and dangerous than fighting them in yours.
     
  15. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haha. I do see your point. Im a Brit and was rooting for him too.
     
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