Canelo isn't past his best

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  1. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He’s got 2-3 fights left at the elite level
    He should forget about the bivol nonsense (which he won’t)

    & strike a 2 fight deal with PBC
    That include - Charlo as a tune up
    Before Benevidez
    Then he could slide back in with fast car Eddie
    & do 1 last one in Mexico against whoever & Then call it a career,

    Which he won’t - he will likely go the Roy Jones path of KTFO.
     
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  2. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "You people" SMH Can't take you seriously. You're definitely bias if you think Canelo is the same fighter. He won't even risk his 168 titles against Bivol.
     
  3. wifly

    wifly Active Member Full Member

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    From May 2017 to December 2018 hahahaha
     
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    wifly Active Member Full Member

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    Thing is I don't know who do you people think Canelo was, some hybrid primed RJJ mixed with shades of Ali, Robinson and prime Tyson, and now suddenly he is 2015 RJJ because he couldn't KO Ryder, he wasn't that good when he arguably lost twice to old GGG nor he is that washed up today. He always took calculated risks, he understands pretty well fighting Bivol again equal to loosing, so it's better to loose at a weight isn't your league than loosing at your natural weight right now and dropping the titles which may give him some other profitable fights in the future. Any version of Canelo is beaten by 2022-2023 Bivol at 168 or 175.
     
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  5. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn I had 2016 in my head.

    That was when he chinned Khan :lol:
     
  6. AngryBirds

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    The only differences between Canelo from around 2018 or so until now is that,

    -He fell in love with his power and likes loading up on power shots to the detriment of skillset versatility
    -His stamina has gotten worse as a result of him spamming power shots
    -He became obsessed about pursuing 'greatness', which has only resulted in him being hated on even more after the steroid accusations

    As a side note about pursuing greatness, Canelo hasn't said a word about that in a while. It seems to have come to an end after Bivol beat some sense into him, but on the other hand if by some miracle he managed to beat Bivol in the rematch, he will probably re-embark on the quest haha.
     
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  7. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think part of the problem is that he isn't getting up for some of these opponents.

    I think he looked at a 5 loss, one stoppage loss John Ryder and figured he could recover slower from that surgery and spend a few more days on the links.

    I think he underestimated Bivol too. I think he thought it was another Lara who was going to try to land three jabs and that he could land two jabs and a hook and win the round. It's hard to understand why he misjudged it so badly, but can't complain about someone aiming for greatness.

    Plus fighters always underperform during the big homecoming.
     
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just watched the highlights of Ryder, so can't say anything educated about that one. I didn't feel he had declined in previous fights, though. His stamina has never been great and Bivol is a level or two above anyone Canelo had faced before, taking his size into the equation.
     
  9. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is slipping whether you wanna admit it or not
     
  10. wifly

    wifly Active Member Full Member

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    I respect your opinion, he may well be on the slide because of age¿? or because of the wear and tear he has have, but I didn't see signs of it this weekend
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You can't fight at Brit Level that often and not pay a heavy toll for it. Even in defeat we will take a piece of your soul

    And obviously his attempts to try and hang at Eurasian level against Brother G and Brother Dmitry took their toll too. He should be 1-3 against my Eurasian brothers and the lone win came against the geriatric shot corpse of Brother G
     
  12. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I saw it in his last 3 fights

    His gas tank has been the biggest problem in each fight

    I also feel the speed is slowly retracting as well

    It will only speed up from here
     
  13. crixus85

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    Is it possible that since he was caught taking peds, that he is now, performing appropriately, to his natural level?
     
  14. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lots of good posts above:
    - motivation isn't quite where it was before
    - some wear and tear, he started very young
    - he's fallen in love with his power, and always tries to come forward with a high guard; this makes him more predictable
    - he was previously getting overrated, people were thinking he could give Usyk a tough fight!

    He's still elite, but isn't quite where he was before. TBH I thought he took it easy on old man GGG, but perhaps he didn't. Perhaps even as GGG has slipped, he's slipped a bit too.
     
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  15. UFC2020

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    If you are getting hit a hell of a lot easier in your last 3 fights, that is a worrying sign. Even a finished GGG gave Canelo issues in the last few rounds of their final fight.

    As you saw with Riddick Bowe, it takes 1-2 final fights for brutal brain damage.