Is Fury the worst 'recognised' Heavyweight Champion in history?

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  1. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was a Fury fan in his earlier days, mostly because he was in some entertaining scraps. There's been a lot of talk about how Fury is up there with the greats etc. As far as I am concerned this is disinformation spread by his tv networks, promoters etc.
    In reality, is he the worst champion of all time? I am not talking about belt holders, WBO or WBC etc.
    I am talking about universally recognised heavyweight champions. Let's go back to the beginning, he's a huge underdog going in against an ageing but long standing champion in Wlad Klitschko. Congrats to Fury, in foreign territory, he edges a points win in arguably one of the worst heavyweight title fights in history.
    So now he's the champ. He then holds the title hostage for a long time, loses the belts without defending them. In the meantime Joshua establishes himself as 'consensus' champion. The WBC creates Wilder as their champion, theres no true, universally recognised champion. Then Fury comes back years later under the flimsy guise as 'lineal' champ. Wilder understandably, due to Fury's issues, mentally and physically see's Fury as a name ripe for 'easy pickings' but Wilder is a hype job and subsequently get's exposed by Fury. It appears to be a 'feel good' fairy tale, comeback story from Fury. Joshua loses badly to 'Fat Andy' and thus Tyson falls into the 'Universally recognised, Lineal Champion'....blah, blah and blah.
    So we come to today, where Fury is lauded as an ATG Heavyweight but in reality in the nearly 8 years since he bacame champion, I put to everybody that he has not had one ' legitimate title defense since. His wins over Wilder are obviously the 'closest to' legit title defenses but then again, in the first two fights Wilder had the pressure as the perceived 'defending champion'. You can look back at the history books of fighters who have caused huge upsets and lost the title straight away but at least they had the 'nads' to defend the championship legitimately and in a timely manner, respecting the sport and the fans.
    For me, Fury is the worst heavyweight champion of all time.
     
  2. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    No, somebody like Hasim Rahman, for example, is certainly worse. Arguments could be made for several others. James Braddock and Marvin Hart, clearly. Jack Sharkey? He "won" the title grabbing his nuts on the canvas and then promptly lost to Primo Carnera, also a worse champ than Fury. And there are others.
     
  3. AngryBirds

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    Fun fact: Fury’s best win is that he outboxed Wilder 3 times, a guy who can’t box.

    I do agree. He is the worst heavyweight champion, atleast for the past half century. The man constantly talks about retiring/unretiring, often ducks the other top competition who actually have some boxing skills (Ruiz, Joshua, Usyk, etc), likes making fun of other boxers yet seems to get nervous breakdowns on Twitter whenever someone calls him out and top top it off he had nerve to call out Joshua by saying “you let a little steroid man from middle weight beat you” as if Usyk was a nobody. You know atleast Joshua had the guts to fight someone better than him than pad his record by outboxing a guy who can’t box 3 times.

    When has Fury last fought in the ring? What is his mission as a champion? Has he done anything to push the boundaries of heavyweight boxing? He’s no champion or anything near it. That big Dr Eggman-shaped idiot is a fraud as far as I’m concerned.
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Fury's best win was against Wlad in 2015 when he took over and saved the HW division from a robot.

    This will never be topped even if he took a time machine back to the early 2000's and TKO'd Lennox Lewis in 1 round by cuts stoppage or back to 1988 and made Mike Tyson quit on the stool or back to the 1900's and clinched Jack Johnson into submission.

    18 months of butthurt since the midget slapped a bodybuilder crying that Fury isn't fighting him yet when he does this winter for half a billion dollars and wins with ease where will them haters be? no where that's where. Making excuses that Usky was too small and old probably.
     
  5. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    I'm not even surprised that Rummy is there to agree with anything pro-Fury. What a disappointing thing to see.

    In any case, Rahman or Braddock are much better champions than Fury, it's not even close. Two reasons:

    1) They beat prime ATGs decisively to win their belts. Fury fought a gun-shy, ancient Wlad whom he shamelessly ducked for the rematch.
    2) Rahman and Braddock were brave and put their money where their mouth was. Rahman stepped into the ring to defend his title against Lewis who was angry and looking for revenge, while Braddock went after a 23-year-old Louis to defend his title. There is no shame in losing when you seek to fight the best fighters around. When did Fury do any of that? What did Fury do as the title holder? Ducked Wlad, got a PED ban and fought nobody but tomato cans, has-beens, and one-trick-ponies ever since while regularly avoiding the likes of Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Joyce etc.

    In fact, I'd absolutely argue that both in terms of resume and in terms of how he carried himself/how he responded to challenges and built a legacy as a champion, Fury is easily the worst HW champion of the last 50 years (at the very least).
     
  6. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Your drivel is so tiresome. I want to do something about shutting you up so let's make a deal. If Fury doesn't face Usyk (and let's not kid ourselves, even though you are just a Fury troll, even you know how he ducked Usyk twice in 12 months) OR he faces him but loses, you will delete your account and never return.

    If Usyk loses, I'll do the same.

    No ifs and buts. The rules are simple.

    Are you game?
     
  7. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That was Max Schmeling who won by DQ actually, which has gotta be the worst way anyone has won the "lineal" recognition so far. I mean other than Larry Holmes beating up a half dead Muhammad Ali and Shannon Briggs winning it via robbery.

    I don't think Fury is the worst champion skill wise, far from it, and I don't think his time as champion has necessarily been the worst, though it has certainly left a lot to be desired. If he were to retire tomorrow, I'd say he'd go in the middle tier in that regard. Started it by beating a dude who had reigned for over a decade and was one year removed from an absolute war against the guy considered the next best at the time, but ended it against someone he had beaten twice over ten years ago with a chunk of missed time and a lot of opponents well below his level in the middle. Could be better, but could be way worse.

    So, has he been a kind of disappointing champion? Yeah, unfortunately, the guy is super talented and should have a lot more impressive names on his resume by this point in his career. But the worst? No, I wouldn't say so.
     
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  8. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    :wizard:
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  10. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    LOL I see he ducked your proposal just like the man whose nuts he lusts over ducks good boxers.
    I wish he'd taken the bet and lose and disappear from this site.
     
  11. The Professor

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    Thanks for that correction. Some of those post-Tunney, pre-Louis champs get lumped together in my recollections! All in all one of the most mediocre eras in HW history. Several of them are clearly worse than Fury.

    Fury is, to me, kind of a middle-of-the pack guy. Probably just outside the top 30 at this point, among legitimate HW champs.
     
  12. The Cryptkeeper

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    Needs a 4th fight with Derek Chisora to cement his legacy.

    Why waste his time on chumps like AJ and Usyk when he can beat up greats like Dillian Whyte?
     
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  13. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Right now, if Fury were to retire (for rilz), this is indeed a very interesting thing to think about.

    Imo the most impressive things about TF are both his ability to move around the ring smoothly with a bit of off-rhythm, good speed (relative to his size), and the ability to smother in close. He's the kind of champ that must be rated more on how he performed, vs how he performed + who he performed against.

    So thing is I'm not much of a Wilder 'fan'. I don't rate Vlad an ATG, even though I sometimes think I should. But I don't. So Fury's resume, to me, is pretty horrid. I also don't rate Fury as an ATG, because he didn't face nearly all the fighters he could've faced and that includes the time away with drugs and all that. No excuses. Not only did he flat just not fight enough (how come the 80's dudes could fight during their addictions, but todays fighters gotta take years off in their damned PRIMES. His resume is right down there with some of the worst, but certainly not the worst of all time.

    Many of Fury's opponents have looked like talented tough-man competitors. Then again, I'm old and remember the good old days when HWs came in shape! Even the ones on coke back in the 80's would beat every single guy out the right now - even fresh outta rehab.
     
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  14. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Aye, birds of a feather and all that.

    If I was Charlie Zelenoff, I’d say I clearly TKOd him.
     
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  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    its annoying as ****. wouldnt be so bad if he just talked what he knows, then we would rarely notice him. but he throws his nonsense into every thread, multiple times. makes the forum appear to be run by idiots if this guy is the most active poster.