Some heavyweight lists to peruse.

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    While finding my old top 10 list for CT i came across a great little post in there with some lists for us to argue, fight about and agree on :D

    Don Sibrel
    1.Ali
    2.Louis
    3.Liston
    4.Foreman
    5.Tyson
    6.Tunney
    7.Dempsey
    8.Johnson
    9.Marciano
    10.Frazier
    11.Holmes
    12.Jeffries
    13.Walcott
    14.Corbett
    15.Patterson
    16.Charles
    17.Schmeling
    18.Holyfield

    Monte D. Cox's Corner All Time Heavyweight Ratings
    THE TOP 20 HEAVYWEIGHTS OF ALL TIME
    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Jack Johnson
    4. George Foreman
    5. Larry Holmes
    6. Jack Dempsey
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. Jim Jeffries
    9. Lennox Lewis
    10. Mike Tyson
    11. Rocky Marciano
    12. Joe Frazier
    13. Riddick Bowe
    14. Evander Holyfield
    15. Sam Langford
    16. Gene Tunney
    17. James J. Corbett
    18. Ezzard Charles
    19. Jersey Joe Walcott
    20. Max Schmeling

    Bert Sugar, 1991
    1.Jack Dempsey
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Muhammad Ali
    4.Jack Johnson
    5.Gene Tunney
    6.Rocky Marciano
    7.Joe Frazier
    8.Larry Holmes
    9.Sonny Liston
    10.Mike Tyson

    Arthur Harris, 1992 (Nov 1992 Boxing Scene)

    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Jack Dempsey
    4.Jack Johnson
    5.Gene Tunney
    6.Rocky Marciano
    7.Larry Holmes
    8.Jersey Joe Walcott
    9.Joe Frazier
    10.Sonny Liston

    Nigel Collins, 1997

    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Evander Holyfield
    4.Larry Holmes
    5.George Foreman
    6.Jack Johnson
    7.Rocky Marciano
    8.Joe Frazier
    9.Jack Dempsey
    10.Sonny Liston

    Herbert Goldman, 1997

    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Sonny Liston
    4.Mike Tyson
    5.Larry Holmes
    6.Jack Johnson
    7.Jack Dempsey
    8.George Foreman
    9.Rocky Marciano
    10.Joe Frazier

    Tracy Callis
    Heavyweights:

    1.Jim Jeffries
    2.Jack Johnson
    3.Jack Dempsey
    4.Joe Louis
    5.Muhammad Ali
    6.Gene Tunney
    7.Jim Corbett
    8.Sonny Liston
    9.Rocky Marciano
    10.Larry Holmes

    Manny Steward
    1- Muhammad Ali
    2- Joe Louis
    3- Larry Holmes
    4- George Foreman
    5- Lennox Lewis
    6- Gene Tunney
    7- Jack Johnson
    8- Rocky Marciano
    9- Sonny Liston
    10- Mike Tyson

    Jimmy Gloves
    1. Ali
    2. Jack Johnson
    3. Holmes
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Jim Jeffries
    6. Tyson
    7. Bowe
    8. Frazier
    9. Langford
    10. Liston
     
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two names that I think are perpetually too high are , Jack Johnson and Rocky Marciano.
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

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    BOXREC

    None of us agree that greatness can be rated scientifically/mathematically/algorithmically, but I agree with their top 4, though I have a different order

    Jou Louis
    Muhammed Ali
    Lennox Lewis
    Rocky Marciano
    Gene Tunney
    Ezzard Charles
    Wlad Klitschko
    Floyd Patterson
    Joe Walcott
    Joe Frazier
    Tyson Fury
    Vitali Klitschko
    Evander Holyfield
    Sonny Liston
    Elmer Ray
    Larry Holmes
    Max Schmeling
    George Foreman
    Jack Dempsey
    Mike Tyson
     
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  4. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    it is hard to argue with the old guys who sailed through the decades of Boxing with many of these Fighters, and most have very similar lists, I would agree with what these Researchers here, say. Tracy Callis is a well note Historian, with the turn of the Century and the Early years his main interest, so respect, likewise there are a few Poster here with a keen interest to the same periods, so perhaps they are best suited to comment on Callis' list...

    but for the most part I would agree with these one's I have saved, but Lists are IMPOSSIBLE, so there IS Always a few Dozen more you can have in the mix, as I always say " Among the Best!"
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    It's always fun perusing these lists. I don't go crazy making them as they are a fair chore to do decently.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Don Seibrel and Herb Goldman have the top 3 nailed.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah but where's Williams in the ten? Sibrel doesn't even have him in the 18.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yeah that was ridiculous but I'll excuse it because Liston was included in the top 3.
     
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  9. Paul McB

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    Manny’s list is probably what I’d come up with too.
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Manny's is the best list there and would be completely accessible except for the inclusion of Tunney. The rest are abysmal.
     
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  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Here is probably the most bestest list I’ve like ever seen. It comes from an unquestionable statesman of the sport and a genius of the fistic game.


    Joe LouIs
    Muhammad Ali
    Evander Holyfield
    Wlad KliTschko
    Lennox LewiS
    Larry HolMes
    Rocky Marciano
    Mike Tyson
    George ForEman
     
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  12. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its a hard one, the lists are naturally dated. I think more modern heavyweights like Lewis and Holyfield deserve spots in the top 10.

    For me the 10 best are Ali, Louis, Holmes, Lewis, Foreman, Marciano, Holyfield, Tunney, Johnson, and Frazier. Guys like Charles, Wlad, and Dempsey narrowly miss out.
     
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  13. mr. magoo

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    I like Manny Steward’s the best
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    Heavily factored into their science was ability to disguise oneself after a loss ;)
     
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  15. Spreadeagle

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    Obviously it's impossible to agree with all these lists but Tracey Callis's ratings? Dreadful,completely,totally dreadful.
     
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