What's Your Opinion Of Larry Holmes??

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We can continue this in the other thread (Tried to refrain posting there because the OP is a troll).

They didn't necessarily say, he had Parkinson's. It was just i(according to them) indicated. It's universally accepted Ali's Parkinson's was caused by the abundance of blows he recieved. He wasn't hit all that much at all until 74-75 with with the exception of his first bout with Frazier.

I never said "serious health problems among elite boxers do not raise questions about an era's quality". I question that these athletes had "serious health problems". you've got it laughably wrong in at least 3 of the 5 examples you've listed.

Ali (as listed above).

Ellis did not have any eye problems whatsoever throughout his career. His eye injury forced his retirement.

Liston had literally one fight in the 70s.... against a non-descript Journeyman.

Again you're putting words in my mouth, I never stated having Parkinson's didn't have a major impact on athletic performance. I disputed Ali had Parkinson's in those bouts. Feel free to prove me wrong with footage pre-'76, where Ali displays shaking, stuttering, and/or lack of control over motor skills

 

Don't think so.

 

Good enoguh to be number 5 on my HW list but his resume isn't enough to crack top 3 IMO

 

A great fighter who was a credit to the sport.

He eased off on Ali when he could have battered him senseless.

Saying 'let's have a good fight' to Cooney showed class. The build-up to that fight wasn't pleasant.

I don't think Holmes has ever got the credit he deserved.

 

On a personal level, good man...great champion.

 

I think he was a great, world class heavyweight, solid skills and a good record.
I didn’t find his style exciting, personally, and don’t feel the urge to rewatch his fights for the most part. I can happily watch reruns of Tyson or Foreman flattening people until the cows come home….just personal taste and preference. None of his fights scratch the same itch for me as Holyfield-Bowe 1, or the Thrilla in Manila….no disgrace again there, it’s just not my thing.
I also didn’t warm up to him in terms of his public persona, which is also where I’m at odds with Hagler fans. I totally understand why they had a chip on their shoulders, but the resentful demeanor is something I’m not fond of with people I meet in person, let alone public figures. I get it, I just don’t like it and it made it difficult for me to root for them.

 

He is in my top 5 which is in chronological order. His autobiography is an interesting read if anyone hasn't read it. In His comeback attempt barring George Foreman was very good for a former title holder.

My top 5

Jack Johnson
Joe Lewis
Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis

 

Holmes vs Marvis Frazier is a quick one-round destruction, with Holmes knocking Marvis across half the ring with a single well-timed right. That one ain't boring.

 

Thank you, my friend. Cookie me like.

 

Your entitled to your opinion but me personally Holmes vs Norton, Witherspoon, Weaver 1, are some of my favourite Heavyweight fights of all time.

 

I think highly of his career, but I probably do not rank him as high as most on my all time Heavyweight list.

 

Good point, never thought of that.

 

Why would the bolded be the case? Boxers wouldn't have taken more PED's after the round reduction, they would have just taken different PEDs. The amount they took would have only changed based on availability from era to era.

In other words, the 80's wasn't juicy because of a round reduction, the 80's was juicy because it was the 80's. That wasn't a result of a boxing rule at all, that was the result of a worldwide sports phenomenon. If it was still 15 rounds they would have used less steroids and other cardio enhancing PED's, not less PED's.