Unpopular opinion - Wilder to become first undisputed champion since Lewis

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    Wilder couldn't outbox Fury in a million years. The draw was a robbery and Fury improved noticeably after that fight as he got deeper into his comeback.
     
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  2. fencik45

    fencik45 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Silly opinion is far more accurate than unpopular.
     
  3. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder's 37.5 years old. Usyk isn't young, either, but he's younger than Wilder.

    Usyk will just stay out of harm's way, wait for Wilder to tire and then Bellew him.
     
  4. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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  5. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fight one was a Draw with Fury only landing about 2 more punches per round. These were pitty patty punches.

    If Wilder had one more round given to him on the Judges cards, he won the fight on points....that is how he beats fury on points...it is possible
     
  6. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    After these hypothetical events (beat Usyk
    and Fury) no one would dispute Wilder's resume anymore.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    That decision was a disgrace and as already stated Fury improved to boot. Wilder has no chance of outpointing Fury at this point. He couldn't stay with Ortiz on points and Fury was comfortably ahead in their last two fights. Wilder gases quick when he works hard.
     
  8. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury has improved, not as a point scorer though.

    Fight 1, Fury won the story of the fight, he got flattened and was lucky he was allowed to continued...nobody would be complaining if it was waved off, including Fury and his family.
    He got dropped twice and was landing about the same punches per round as Wilder.... Wilder landed way more effective punches throughout the fight.
    Unfortunately, scoring criteria is based on effective punching (Wilder), controlled aggression (Wilder), Defense (slightly to Fury as he made Wilder miss more), Ring Generalship (Fury).
    Scoring criteria is not getting the public emotional in feeling sorry for you or sticking your tongue out.

    PS. Ortiz is a better technical boxer than Fury, so it is harder to win on points against him. He was a stellar amateur.
     
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  9. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    One of the worst understanding of boxing - congratulations!
     
  10. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thank you random internet guy.

    Rules of boxing, you don't understand them.
     
  11. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    You're welcome, another random internet guy. But about the rules of boxing - you're in a Dunning-Kruger situation.
     
  12. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    OK, thank you for your opinion. Can you please teach me how they are scored then? Or which rules/scoring system I need to correct in my mind?

    I'm wondering if the way fights are scored have changed from beating people up to sticking tongues out and emotionally manipulating the public.

    I thought its fairly common knowledge that the 4 main judging criteria are:
    - Effective punching
    - Controlled Aggression
    - Defence
    - Ring Generalship

    I also thought it was fairly common knowledge that in maths, 1 + 1 = 2, but again, teach me if I'm wrong... I may need to restart my life and learn everything again because random internet guy claims I'm clueless.
     
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  13. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    No, better be happy with your deluded life and keep insisting Wilder-Fury I was not a gift to Wilder after you pretend as a random internet guy that you know so much about boxing. I can give you a hint: "in maths, 1+1=2" and "Fury landing about 2 more punches per round".
     
  14. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You criticised my knowledge of boxing rules, the rules I stated were judging criteria.
    4 main judging criteria are:
    - Effective punching
    - Controlled Aggression
    - Defence
    - Ring Generalship

    Please correct me if you can.

    IF YOU ARE ABLE AND NOT JUST TALKING NONSENSE...I WILL WAIT OR JUST ACCEPT I AM CORRECT
     
  15. ruffryders

    ruffryders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I stand corrected, (in my defence I did say "about")

    The actual average was FURY LANDED 1.08 MORE PUNCHES PER ROUND according to Compubox.

    So he landed less than I gave him, and was getting bounced up and down. Effective punching was done by Wilder.

    https://www.*******.com/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-compubox-punch-stats--134262

    Be a man or woman and accept the facts. The ref saved Fury's career!