Loma wasn't robbed

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    That's surprising. I've always questioned the legitimacy of punch stats personally, I remember watching the Porter-Spence fight and being shocked at how inaccurate the stats were.

    A rewatch is definitely warranted, but I definitely don't remember Loma doing anything in those rounds. He was having Lopez fight-tier inactivity
     
  2. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    ive never seen anyone counter loma so effectively. he was getting caught on the way in over and over. i think he hurt haney more than haney hurt him, but haney put some vicious body shots on him in spots he wasnt expecting. i had it a draw, i didnt see either one establishing superiority.
     
  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    The only thing punch stats are reliable for are punches thrown. Otherwise it´s an absolutely trash system and should be abolished.
    It´s a waste of money and it really hurts the sport.
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    Fully agree.
    I was just arguing over the "Loma did nothing" part. He clearly outworked Haney, so you can´t say Loma lost because he was too passive.
     
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  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lomachenko forced the fight from the start. Are you trying to tell me by default Haney wins if Lomachenko doesn't batter him in a round.
     
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  6. quest00

    quest00 Member Full Member

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    Exactly!! I was actuallly rooting for Loma to win but he just wasn't active and consistent enough in the fight. Once he saw an opening after getiing close he would fire off a 3-4 punch combo but it was only like 2 times a round. Meanwhile Devin is stabbing him to the body using jabs and crosses and keeping the jab in his face. Loma was pressing Haney alot but was not using his jab to get in close for large portions of the fight. Peoples bias just kills me! Loma lost 7 rounds to five.
     
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  7. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  8. kk17

    kk17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had it even 6-6 and there are at least 7 close Rounds so no robbery but the way Moretti scored the Rounds was ridiculous
     
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  9. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eddy Reynoso scores the bout for Lomachenko, as did the Ring's Dougie Fischer.

    I'm not suggesting it's unreasonable to conclude Haney won. Rather I think it's more reasonable or in keeping with what we watched to conclude Lomachenko did.
     
  10. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Punch stats actually say something different. I saw the 1st half of the fight very close and difficult to score. Loma won his rounds more clearly in the 2nd half. As I stated before, I scored it 6-6 only by giving Haney the 12th. I would not call the decision a robbery.
     
  11. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    But he was not winning the rounds
     
  12. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That you could argue a draw at best doesnt make it not a robbery. It was but clear for Loma thats why everyone thought he won.
    I guess its also overall frustration to this **** happening time after time in boxing.
    Real shame in big fights. Another ggg vs canelo type robbery.
     
  13. Dempsey Gibbons

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    Castillo Mayweather 1
    Delahoya Mosely 2
    Sturm Delahoya
    Pacquiao Bradley 1
    Delayhoya Trinidad
    Pacquiao Horn

    Add Loma Haney to the list.
     
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  14. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    How sure are you in it's reliability in counting punches thrown? Surely if they miscalculate landed punches, their ability to calculate overall punches would be unreliable as well.

    But even then, the punch stats make sense even in those rounds. Loma was trying to win the SRL way; throw a **** ton of flurries then do pretty much nothing. Loma would throw a flurry, miss, then do pretty much nothing for the rest of the round. Haney, while on paper is the less active fighter, is technically the more active fighter throughout the round.

    I remember there were a few rounds where I was literally BEGGING Loma to do more so that he can edge the round, but I feel like his perfectionism costed him.
     
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  15. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anybody who actually believes Haney won this is a rank and file amateur when it comes to understanding the sport. Loma controlled the fight, he outlanded the Nose 127-110, 50 of Haneys punches were body shots that had no effect on Loma and most were effectively countered or only landed with an extended arm-meaning nothing behind them, Loma was never hurt by Haney while Haney was throttled in the 10th and 11th. The corruption of the judges scorecards says it all, giving Haney most of the rounds in the second half when Loma was clearly dominant. No, this was indeed a disgusting robbery, as virtually all fans, press, and fighters have stated Loma won.
     
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