Devin Miles Haney vs. Vasyl Anatoliyovych Lomachenko & Junto Nakatani vs. Andrew Moloney RBR.

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  1. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. The Cryptkeeper

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    Loma is a legend, a certain HOF in his first year of eligibility fighter. I probably have him a little short of ATG status though. I do think he is just a little bit overrated...that's no criticism by the way but I do agree that he stayed amateur for too long (nobody needs 400 fights as an amateur) and he's had to make up time ever since. 20 fights just isn't enough to rate him as highly as some do, especially with the 3 losses (although the Haney one is a joke). And at his age, how many more big fights has he got in him?

    I love him but sadly his career, for a few reasons is not going to be what it absolutely could and should have been.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's something I almost wish that Loma would work on correcting. Maybe he should showboat after every missed punch, literally bring the fans and the judges attention to it. For some reason Floyd Mayweather can throw 7 punches a round and lands 7 punches and get credit for it, while swerving the 45 punches his opponent throws who are getting no credit for it. But when it's Lomachenko in there, his opponents always get credit for their never ending barrage of missed punches, while he never gets an ounce of goddamn credit for his exquisite defense and sniper like accuracy. Strange how the judges only seem to notice slickness when it's an American fighter isn't it?
     
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  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's interesting, I suppose.

    But not relevant, as it doesn't really address your inability to correctly assess what is actually happening in the ring.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's very relevant, as scoring is subjective and open to interpretation. I try not to allow my emotions or who I'm rooting for influence my scoring. You think you scored it correctly, for the rightful winner, so naturally those who scored it for the other fighter wouldn't have "correctly" assessed what happened in the ring. I have taken the approach that I have in order to challenge those who have strong opinions to articulate why you have come to your conclusions.
     
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    If he's turned pro in his teens instead of four months before his 26th birthday we would talking about at least a six weight world champion. The only legit loss is Teofimo.

    He should've grabbed the title off of Linares and moved back down to 130, a weight he was supernaturally good at, and ruled with an iron rod down there.

    But the fact he managed to win 3/4 belts up at 135 individually in a division full of giants who hold huge physical advantages on him and then do enough to win all four in one fell swoop at the age of 35 against the biggest lightweight I've ever seen and one who looked like a LMW compared to him in their backyard with the deck stacked heavily against him (and that 36 hour weigh in ensured he fought the biggest, healthiest, and strongest Haney we've seen so far) is remarkable. He's had an amazing career as it is but it could have been much more so.
     
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  7. Serge

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    Yes. I think many of these biased to the point of complete blindness fans who overrate the hell out of certain fighters and their skills, talent, and resumes and underrate the hell out all of the aforementioned regarding certain other fighters would still be claiming the likes of Haney and co were much more skilled than Loma even if he could literally fly like superman and had the reflexes and speed of a mongoose and won world titles all the way up to HW and KO'd all his opponents in a round whilst doing so. I'm not even joking either because I've had many run-ins with these clowns. They were genuinely dumbfounded at how anyone could even entertain the notion of Loma beating Haney or being remotely on his level in terms of skills and they weren't even basing that on the obscene size difference between them either. Haney is just the far far superior fighter and has the far superior skills. I kid you not. :facepalm:

    Think this might be it but I'm not sure

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  8. The Cryptkeeper

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    He beat Haney.

    The only people that didn't think so were the three blind mice judging the fight and the idiot trolls in here.

    Any proper boxing person knows who won that fight.
     
  9. ranger227

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    I am way too emotionally invested in this sport lol. I'm still seething about the result. The life of a boxing fan.
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's important to respect differing points of view. Need I remind you that boxing judging is subjective and everybody interprets what happens in the ring differently. What's important is how you support your perspective, how convincing your arguments are, and how you engage with those who see it different. Any proper boxing person recognizes this as a close match that could be reasonably scored either way.
     
  11. deadACE

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    This is now descending into a farce. People, mods ffs, are acting like it's their first time watching boxing.

    ROBBERIES happen in boxing all the time and has nothing to do with EE fighters. It has all to do with HOME fighters getting the win over the away fighter. There are many examples every single week, at all levels. I see it every week at amateur level.

    in a close fight the home fighter usually gets the win. If you don't know that by now or if that's too painful for you then boxing is not for you.

    When it happens to lads in my gym, I tell them that we know who won the fight but what can happen is these lads lose interest in boxing and we never see them again. There's consequences to bad decisions.

    Lomachenko is as popular as an away fighter can be, he almost has Pacquiao type love in the US. He lost a close fight ffs.

    The joke is that some people are that heavily invested in Loma, that in a close round they are incapable of being impartial. So guess what they gave all the close rounds to him. Surprise surprise lol. You guys are starting to look stupid.
     
  12. The Cryptkeeper

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    If you say so.

    But the numbers don’t lie. It was a mildly close fight but certainly not close enough to give Haney a hometown decision.

    This might not have been a robbery but it was pretty damned close. What I think is irritating a few of us is the lack of humility from a number of Haney fans in here. Some of us might be “invested” in Loma but I’ll give you the tip, we aren’t the ones not being “impartial” given Loma won the fight according to almost every learned observer. If you gave Loma half the close rounds he wins the fight. But clearly the “judges” gave virtually every close round to Haney. Round 10 was not even a remotely close round yet one idiot judge gave it to Haney anyway. Loma literally landed more than double what Haney landed in that round. It wasn’t a close round.

    Perhaps if some of the outright Haney trolls in here acknowledged at the very least their man was extremely lucky to get the result a few of us wouldn’t be as irritated as we are.
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Oh the irony... oh the lack of self awareness.
     
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  14. deadACE

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    Your tears are the best.
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Your denial of reality is even better.
     
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