Will there be a 160 pound man in the next 3 decades who could beat Ali head to head?

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  1. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    That's true, Floyd Patterson is similar to Ezzard H2H for most people- if those two fought, It doesn't seem unreasonable I agree. What Ezzard has is intelligence, savvy and a good enough gas tank and chin to be there for all 15. If jabbing with him is such a head scratcher for Ali how will he handle someone so slick? What do you think Ali will do?

    What Ezzard learnt fighting Archie Moore and those guys on the row will prepare him for a lot of questions Ali will I ask and If Ali was being caught and timed with his hands down by someone like Frazier who threw his off the front foot, Then Charles will be whipping his own hook in there, I don't remember Ali in with anyone as clever as Charles, I think few in boxing are as smart. With a very rudimentary skill set by comparison Norton and Frazier took Ali to the brink. I don't think Charles will win personally, I just think he has a good chance to pull it off.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Charles is one of the greatest fighters who has ever lived.

    When I watch him hit Pat Valentino with those uppercuts, all I see is a mark. Not because he's not a very good cruiserweight, he's a great cruiserweight, but because he is smaller and slower, and relies upon technical excellence to barrack his offence, not volume, not power, technical excellence, and Ali butchers these guys.

    Ali would kick his head in. Conn is a better shout than Charles based upon film because he's a proven rhythm breaker, at least. Conn would get butchered too though. Smaller fighters that have a chance against Ali are all, basically, of the same type. Speed of pressure fighters who are a little unorthodox.
     
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  3. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Still one of the best phrases of all-time. Fleetwood Mac's Man of the World (possibly their best song) had a b-side called "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked in Tonite", what people don't know is, that it was specifically written about a fantasy match-up between Ali & Ezzard Charles.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Who was the American who responded to the referee's question about where he was between rounds that said he was in in the Garden (I think) "Getting my head kicked in"?
     
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  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Great quote, was it Tex Cobb?
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No it was older than that, forties I think.
     
  7. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Yeah, after I posted i thought it was older, but can't place it. I remember hearing it. Sounds like it something Max Baer might say.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Isn't there a Jr Middleweight who is like 6'6 ? Or something like that ? Maybe him.
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Sometimes I wonder whether guys like Baer and Cobb are quote-dumps; where any time boxing folklore has a clever, apocryphal statement, it gets attributed to one of them.
     
  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I thought Ellis gave Ali trouble? And with the exception of Patterson, Charles was superior. And compared to Patterson, he and Charles had different styles. Keep in mind, id favor Ali over Charles, too. But I do think Charles could be game, especially against a 70s Ali. But id pick Ali to win.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ellis was stopped and won 4 rounds on a generous card. I believe he won zero rounds on one judge's scorecard but may be wrong about that.

    Yeah, of course, but if you take that approach you can't use stylistic hints about any fighter, ever, unless that fighter was the absolute equal of the one to hand and you concede Floyd may be anyway...so I'm not sure what the point is really? Ali did very well against fighters of Ezzard's size and type seems valid evidence to me.

    I think he might do better than Ellis but would end the fight with a head like a watermelon.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    It was Jimmy Young I was thinking of. Sometimes I get my Jimmy's mixed up.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Young did defo cause Ali trouble and that points you in the direction of another deluxe spoiler in Walcott who I think would turn in the type of performance you're thinking about for Charles.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Also fair to point out that was 1976 though, Charles would have a much better chance against 1976 Ali too.
     
  15. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cobb was/is quick witted, a friend told me about Cobb being interviewed by Joan Rivers (maybe filling in for Johnny Carson?). She asked Cobb if the Rocky movie was realistic. He told her (maybe not exact words?) that he thought Rocky was "an accurate portrayal of how an actor thinks a boxer lives."
     
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