1974 Roberto Hands Of Stone Duran vs Devin Haney at 135 lbs, 15 rounds.

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  1. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it isn't Benny Leonard in the opposing corner, then why bother, ain't no one at LW beating Duran at any stage of his reign, some : Williams, Gans, Ross, and Armstrong , would make it competitive, the rest , no chance.
    keep em coming Rich;)
     
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  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Thanks buddy, I will keep them coming.
     
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  3. TheWorstEver(TWE)

    TheWorstEver(TWE) Active Member Full Member

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    Ouch! Duran would murder Haney with a smirk on his face.
     
  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Imagine Haney trying to clinch vs Duran that would be hilarious.
     
  5. Flash24

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    I wrote that , and agree with you , I said (Duran in 1977-78? He'd Ko's Haney with in 5rds.....)
    I personally believe Duran from 1977-1980 was his absolute
    best. It's my belief that welterweight fit him like a glove, and if he had
    remained there and focused , with Leonard forced to retire, Benitez
    and Hearns moving up , he'd be almost as devastating as he was
    at lightweight.
    Duran in my view didn't show serious signs of slippage until he went up
    to Jr.Middle. And that wasn't caused by any real physical slippage
    but was caused by his lack of discipline .
    When he showed up physically ready, and focused (Cuevas,
    Moore, and believe it or not Hagler)
    He demonstrated he could compete with any fighter not named
    Thomas Hearns.
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I respect your post but to me having watched Duran win the lightweight title and dominate through 12 successful title defenses, I preferred the lightweight champion Roberto Duran over any higher weight Duran. Hands of Stone at 147 did not have the fire that he had at 135. The loss to Leonard did tarnish his legacy at 147, he quit. At 135 Duran was murderous in the ring, so he beat Cuevas, Pipino Cuevas was a has been when Duran beat him in 1986, Duran used to kayo his opponents at 135 while he did struggle at 147, his opponents were no longer falling, anyway my thread points out the Duran at 135 lbs in 1974 when he destroyed De Jesus on March 16 1974 in round 11 in Panama City, Panama. I don't really care for fighters who leave their division to venture into higher weights. Sometimes they do not take their punch with them. If it's not broken, Don't try to fix it. Another words leave well enough alone. I did not care to see Duran look like the return of Free Willy.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    I'd add Whitaker to that list and i'd rate his chances above some of those too. I'd favour Duran but i think Whitaker would give him as good a go as just about anybody at 135. As a matter of fact i think it would be reasonably close affair.
     
  8. META5

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    Pete's jab, quick footwork, underrated strength on the inside and ability to spin and box off the backfoot would give Duran new puzzles to solve. Pete's chin was also top class and he has handspeed and guts - Duran doesn't just walk through him as is the oft repeated hypothetical supposition.

    I do make Duran favourite as whilst Pete is stronger than given credit for and quite a good inside fighter, I don't think he has the requisite strength and skillset on the inside to keep Duran from getting to his body - Duran's inside work will pay off at some point, but if Roberto is in anything less than top top shape and isn't mentally prepared to stick to his game plan and not be frustrated by Pete's deliberate lack of playing ball, then one or two people could be surprised by the outcome of a first initial fight.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    It's a great matchup.
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Duran would destroy Haney. Absolutely, no rose tinted nostalgia. As a hardened realist, I would bet every dime in my safe on Duran and enjoy the rewards.
     
  11. Vic The Gambler

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    I can only hope Haney is as fast as they say and has stamina to burn, because his only hope of hearing the final bell is to run for his life and for the love of all things holy, don’t look back, son!

    In reality I don’t think he’d make it…he’d be caught and mauled inside 8 rounds.
     
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  12. Flash24

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    Duran looked great at welterweight. Though he wasn't as destructive as he was
    at lightweight , he carried the weight well. Even in the
    2nd Leonard fight he looked great physically. He was starving himself to remain at
    lightweight, and ultimately if he remained at the weight, he would've lost
    to someone he shouldn't lose to simply because he drained himself .
    Fighters age and gets heavier, just like you and me.
     
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  13. Dubblechin

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    Well, let's be real. They both have faults. Duran won the title with a low blow and never gave Buchanan a rematch. And Duran could have off nights, getting floored and losing a non-title fight to DeJesus. Viruet also gave him fits.

    And Haney has successfully defended against the likes of Lomachenko, Kambosos (twice), Joseph Diaz, Jorge Linares and Yuriorkis Gamboa. Not too shabby (in comparison to Duran's challengers) ... all former or reigning beltholders. (Is Loma better than anyone Duran defended against at Lightweight?)

    Haney actually has more World Lightweight title defenses than Duran did. Haney has two. Duran has zero.

    Haney, though not a big puncher, is a weight bully who would be physically much bigger and could probably frustrate Duran with his speed and holding and movement. Duran didn't bowl everyone over at lightweight, so we shouldn't pretend he did. And Haney IS a welterweight when the bell rings for his lightweight title fights, and Duran wasn't a big puncher against them.

    Also, Haney never defended against anyone as bad as Lou Bizzarro, who flat out sucked and still went 14 rounds.

    Could be fun.

    Not an easy night for Roberto, regardless. Hate him or not, Haney isn't going to be an "easy" fight for anyone at lightweight.
     
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  14. Richard M Murrieta

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    Roberto Hands Of Stone Duran had 12 title defenses, champion from 1972 until he gave up his title in 1979 to campaign as a welterweight. It does not matter who Duran fought, he fought whoever was around in his era. I don't believe in Twilight Zone Matches. Duran had a better corner, Ray Arcel and Freddie Brown. I am not sold on Haney, I think Loma was robbed like many others see it. By the way, How old are you? I have been watching pro boxing since 1965. I saw pretty much of all of Duran's title defenses, he caught up to Vilomar Fernandez on Jan 29 1977, TKO 13, the same Fernandez that defeated Alexis Arguello in a non title fight. What are you smoking? Look at the other posts, everyone agrees that Duran would crush Haney like a bug, no contest. You just admire Haney because he is from your era, many on this site see Duran beating Haney, look he had issues with Loma, do you honestly think that Duran would fold to a fighter with speed? Duran destroyed De Jesus twice in title bouts, the first being on March 16 1974 in Panama City, Panama, TKO 11, the second and last time was a title unification bout on Jan 21 1978 in Las Vegas, Nevada, Duran boxed smartly, countered perfectly, he stopped Esteban De Jesus in the 12th round of a 15 round fight, no knockdown of Duran in that fight. I know about Duran suffering his first loss to De Jesus, it was a non title affair on Nov 17 1972 in Madison Square Garden, Duran would not lose until he quit against Sugar Ray Leonard in Nov 1980, the rematch.
     
  15. Richard M Murrieta

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    Just my opinion, I preferred Duran at lightweight, he was a champion with longevity, 7 years, 12 title defenses. At welterweight, he was 1-1. At higher weights he looked like a replica of the Pillsbury Dough Boy with a beard, could have mistaken Duran for the snowman (Burl Ives) on the children's Christmas Show, Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer.