A Lightheavy That Could Defeat Foreman or Liston??

I’d honestly and truthfully be concerned if the morons you’re referring to did like me.

 

Sure. And I do.

EDIT: But to pick a frequent whipping boy, Fleischer also watched the films. Sometimes it's good to hear a second opinion.

EDIT 2: Did I ever say something that the forum interpreted as denying that I'd ever watched Liston on film?

 

Thanks. I was about to change and revise that unfinished line when it somehow got posted. Embarrassing. I don't know if it's an issue with this site, but I haven't had this problem with other sites I post at. I've had over two dozen attempted posts get lost like this, and it's becoming too exhausting for me to try contributing here. I may simply just lurk and read. I revise and review like crazy before I click Post Reply. I suspect these new ad popups I'm getting here may be the culprit. I'll try looking for ways to stop this.

 

Agreed on every front- you can watch it on film with your eyes Foreman had nothing for Ali. It’s gotten to comedic proportions what this fight and the events surrounding it have become.

 

And despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary you are going to lap that statement up Pat which just shows how silly you are when it comes to Ali let alone any amount of other old timers. Embarrassing.

 

I think -- and @Pat M can correct me if I'm wrong -- his point was just that we can't take everything Ali said at face value. Pat was citing the video as support for when I made this point to @Spreadeagle on page 8.

Which, to be fair to @Spreadeagle, he agreed with when I pointed it out.

 

Maybe McGrain can help. Years back a couple of us had dodgy old computers and sometimes lost huge posts as we were compiling them and man how annoying was that. My current PC can freeze a few times a week so the rare times i get into really long posts i save periodically to notepad

 

Everyone agrees you have to take some comments with a grain of salt. Pat's previous history would solidly suggest he'd believe that quote

 

Are you telling me that Shavers's punches didn't cause secondary medical effects to Ali's kinfolk back in Africa?

 

Depends on if you believe in voodoo

 

Ali didn't believe in it.

And Ali wouldn't lie to me about something like...Oh, wait.

You've shaken the core of my reality, JohnThomas!

 

Ali looked like he had plenty of energy after that fight, he didn't look like he even exerted himself. He'd probably have been more tired if he mowed his lawn. Some of the people on this forum have a unrealistic view of GF. Ali probably watched old, small Gregorio Peralta fatigue, and out box GF and knew he (Ali) was younger, bigger and could do that and much more. In those days, the public didn't have unlimited access to fights and all they had seen was GF beat up a past it, bored fighter who was more interested in being a singer, and catch Norton early. The public didn't know that GF looked very beatable vs. Peralta. If the Ali-Foreman fight happened today, the public would know a lot more about GF and his weaknesses.

 

Suuuure i have

 

Do you see that twitching, mentally broken smiley face? That's the sad state you've reduced me to. Also, looking at the smiley again, you apparently turned me purple somehow.

 

You can see Foreman cut Ali off and corner him numerous times in the first round and this is despite Ali mixing up movement with searing right leads designed to take some sting out of Foreman's aggression. Short steps to the side, at times even skipping, sometimes on the diagonal cutting off Ali's escape routes. At one point Foreman skips sideways just ahead of Ali along the ropes then suddenly alters direction straight at Ali to pin him hard on the ropes. The lines Foreman was working were simply sublime.