Corbett vs Foreman. 1893, 45 rounds

How would his strength not deteriorate after losing a significant amount of weight, in a short period of time, at an older age? No chance was the Jeffries of 1910 as anywhere near strong as the Jeffries of 1900

 

He was at his peak in 1904, not 1900. He lost some weight, not the 100+ pounds often stated, over a long, considered period of time. He was not even three years older than Johnson.

I am in my 50's and deadlift more now than when I was in my 20's. Strength doesn't go away for a long time. (and yeah, I'm on the doorstep)

 

The Jeffries of 1910 is incomparable to that of 1900 or 1904. You can't lose a lot of weight in such a short period of time in your mid 30s and expect it to not impact your body. Jeffries began his weight loss 18 months prior to the fight, and the dude looked pretty fat in 1908. Whether or not it was 100 pounds is a different story, the sources I see say he weighed 330 pounds prior to camp.

 

So I think Golovkin would beat Corbett. Foreman would turn Corbett into a thin paste.

 

Before round 1 Dick Sadler warns Foreman to carry Corbett for a few rounds or they’d be lynched. Foreman comes out at the bell and Corbett suddenly feels his presence and wants out of there. He starts circling the ring in desperation while Foreman walks/stalks him mitts corner. He then stands there looking at a petrified Corbett. George gives Sadler a quick glance who out of desperation screams dance George dance. Now George is dancing and Corbett running. The crowd starts to boo but then burst out laughing at this sight. George decides to tap Corbett on the nose with a light jab. James J has never ever experienced this power before and his body and mind go into shock. George looks helplessly at Dick who screams at George to dance. George then starts dancing again. The crowd now starts pelting the ring with coins hats you name it. George gets mad. Dick covers his eyes knowing what’s about to happen. George walks over to James J who’s rooted to his spot still in shock and thinks oh **** it and hits Corbett with a body shot that sends Corbett bouncing off the ropes. The ref gives Corbett a slow count. 1……..2……..3………….4, anyway after 30 odd seconds he quietly reaches 10. George looks I’ve to his corner to see Sadler running for his life with 30 odd spectators after him. George leans over the ropes and glares at the crowd. Corbett is put onto a stretcher with his corner crying and George pushes and shoved his way back to his dressing room to confront Sadler for this whole farce.

 

Your reasoning is good.
I would add a simple consideration.
In the judgment of boxers and reporters who watched Reno's fight, Jeffries was a shadow of the athlete he had been. After the first few rounds, in which he fought with dignity, even pushing Johnson back, Jeffries had an athletic meltdown. No observer who saw young Jeffries and old Jeffries said they were equal in strength. It wouldn't have been possible anyway, after six years of retirement, after fattening, with ageing. If Corbett was able to handle the best Jeffries, a big boxer like Foreman, in the clinch, he could also do it with big George.

 

I see no comparison between Corbett’s successes in his first fight with Jeffries and his potential successes vs Foreman. Jeffries played a waiting game whilst sponging punishment.

Foreman will simply jump on Jim from first bell.

Foreman could opt to fight with relative patience behind the jab to open Jim up or simply cut the ring off from the get go, gun for and whomp Corbett to the body - as he did Jose King Roman - quickly making a badly hurt Corbett easy prey for fight finishing head shots.

 

The last 20 rds of the Jackson v Corbett bout was a snore bore with nothing happening,I've read the rd by rd report.
In his 40's Foreman went 12 rds with multiple opponents without making use of his stool.His problem was a lack of pacing not stamina. Foreman got heatstroke against Young,he was out of his head in the dressing room,similar to Robinson against Maxim.
Corbett was ko'd by one body shot from a 157lbs man.Foreman might actually kill him.

 

Excellent summary ,as usual!

 

Jeffries was down to weight 9months before the fight,he had over a year to get in shape.
Jeffries did not push Johnson back Johnson allowed Jeff momentary liberties to rest his strength,finding he himself was the stronger man he began manhandling him and putting him where he wanted.
Jeffries only had one good round the 4th.Fitzsimmons, who was ringside rooting for Jeffries, said Johnson could have finished matters in the first round if he had chosen to do so. Reports of the 1st Jeffries v Corbett fight do not mention Corbett holding his own in the clinches.
Corbetts tactics for the fight, and sensible ones they were too

Jeffries was down to weight when he came back from Carlsbad,9 months prior to the fight.

 

Corbett avoided clinches in his first fight withJeffries,his tactics ,and sensible ones they were too,were to stick and move ,utilising his superior footspeed.
Jeffries did not fight like Foreman,he was much more measured and phlegmatic in his approach ,in the early rounds against Corbett ,advised by Tommy Ryan he attempted to out box Corbett .
Just before, 19th rd Jeffries manager William Brady jumped onto the ring apron threw Ryan out of the corner and furiously told Jeffries he had to ko Corbett ,to win,to forget about boxing and to go in and slug.

Foreman would rag doll Corbett in the clinches as 183lbs Sharkey had done.

 

Jeffries was in his prime when he retired in Sept 1904.

 

Thanks Mr Mc. I hope you and yours having been keeping very well.

 

Jeffries had had 9 months to prepare for combat, but he wasn't prepared. Age, being away from the ring for years, the weight acquired, didn't allow it. When Foreman returned to fighting, before facing a major fight he chose to fight low-level boxers. Foreman returned to fighting in 1987 and only in 1990 fought against a good boxer, Cooney. Not even Foreman could have come back and challenged Johnson in his prime.
If you watch Jeffries-Johnson's video, you can see Jeffries shoving the defending champion back. Initial rounds. After, after, Jeffries finds himself out of strength, in a short time.
All observers, including Fitzsimmons, Sullivan, Ketchel, or London, or Rickard, said Jeffries was washed up in 1910.

Corbett tried to avoid the Jeffries clinch, but he couldn't avoid them all. In the old school the fights were usually more phlegmatic and methodical, but for many more rounds. The square then was larger, which favored the outfighter.

 

Jeffries was estimated to have lost 70lbs tops and he did it over more than a year,so stop with this sudden weight loss please.Jeffries stated that when he came back from Carlsbad he was down to235lbs.