Boxing’s first premature stoppage

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Saintpat, May 30, 2023.


  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,463
    26,804
    Jun 26, 2009
    I’m wondering what was the first fight stopped that people were up in arms about being stopped too soon.

    We know if you go back far enough, referees would pretty much let any fight continue if a fighter made it back to his feet — from Dempsey-Willard in 1919 to Moore-Durellle in 1958 to name a couple. The thread on Johansson vs. Machen (with metntion of the ref and of Johansson-Patterson) highlight this trend and moved me to bring up this topic.

    So there’s a long era where fights were allowed to go on way past their sell-by dates with fighters taking horrific beatings. Ray Robinson’s beatdown of Jake LaMotta in the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre was a noted on-his-feet stoppage, but I don’t remember ever reading that anyone felt it was premature (not even Jake?).

    But somewhere along the way, referees became more caring and compassionate and began waving Ithings off before a beaten man took such a beating. And surely there is a fight somewhere along this shift where fans/pundits and such were vocally unhappy that the referee didn’t allow it to continue on the grounds that the guy taking the beating had enough fight left in him to turn the tide and pull it out.

    So I’m wondering if we can find that moment.

    (NOTE: I’m not talking about some fishy stoppage where the consensus was that the ref was crooked and doing it for a payoff or because the mob ordered it, I’m talking about a ‘he’s had enough’ stoppage where people had become accustomed to seeing such fights go on to their rightful/natural conclusion (by the standards of the day) and end in a terrible KO rather than sparing the beaten man from a worse beating — and some voiced their feelings that he waved it off too soon.)

    I’ve never seen this discussed, so I’m hopeful we have historians who can shed some light on it.
     
  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

    7,226
    7,701
    Nov 3, 2021
    Mike Tyson Vs. Donovan Ruddock 1

    This content is protected


    "What? What?"
     
    Richard M Murrieta likes this.
  3. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,346
    5,281
    Jun 23, 2018
    A lot of things changed after Ray Mancini vs Doo Koo Kim….keep that in mind
     
    Richard M Murrieta likes this.
  4. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,346
    5,281
    Jun 23, 2018
    I know that Ron Lyle felt his fight with Muhammad Ali was stopped too early
     
    Richard M Murrieta likes this.
  5. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,346
    5,281
    Jun 23, 2018
    There were a lot of people who felt that Pryor vs Arguello was stopped too early…that might be the first “ Controversy “
     
  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

    22,635
    30,410
    Jul 16, 2019
    It sure did, especially the number of rounds in a title bout, from 15 rounds to 12.
     
    Bronze Tiger likes this.
  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,692
    9,894
    Jun 9, 2010
    I think Mike Weaver might agree. His stoppage loss to Dokes was without doubt a direct result of the hypersensitivity, following the Kim tragedy.
     
    Pugguy, Jel and Bronze Tiger like this.
  8. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

    7,834
    13,128
    Oct 20, 2017
    Yep, the ref even admitted that he stopped it for that reason.
     
    Bronze Tiger and Man_Machine like this.
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,387
    12,747
    Mar 2, 2006
    The first one I thought of too. I think it was Ferd Hernadez who was the ref - and he took a bit of flack - but the more I looked at it, it was the right call. Lyle was buzzed and hung up in that corner and was going nowhere. The only thing he was looking at was more straight lefts and rights coming into the old noggin if it wasn't stopped. I still remember Lyle's trainer, Chickie Ferrara saying to Cosell, "What is this, a 4 rounder?" Later, when Lyle fought Foreman, it was the same corner and the same scenario. Getting beat on without a response. So maybe the ref had a point.
     
    Bronze Tiger likes this.
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,463
    26,804
    Jun 26, 2009
    Interesting. The examples so far seem to date from later than I would have expected.
     
  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,387
    12,747
    Mar 2, 2006
    Howard Winstone v Mitsunori Seki for the WBCs vacant featherweight title - this bout took place in January of '68 and Britain's Roland Dakin was the sole arbiter. Winstone had a bad gash on one of his eyes for a few rounds when suddenly in the 9th, a cut opened on Seki. Dakin didn't hesitate at all. he did not call in a doctor, he did not give Seki a chance by having his corner work on it between rounds, he just looked at it and stopped the fight in his countryman's favor. This cut was hard for me to even see from the poor film I was watching. There was still plenty of time to go in this bout, but not for Seki.
     
    Man_Machine and Saintpat like this.
  12. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,928
    2,569
    Jul 9, 2020
    I hate to say this but when Emile Griffith killed Benny paret, the mayor of New York said "theres plenty of other sports to enjoy, not just boxing. But baseball, basketball, badminton, golf, etc "

    What perplexes me is that people love boxers but they hate gays (not all people) so Emile dropped a bone chilling message "when I kill a man, they love me. For loving a man, they hate me " as Benny paret aforementioned called him by a gay insult or slur that started the whole thing.
     
  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,463
    26,804
    Jun 26, 2009
    The ol’ Brit stoppage!