Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

I think you meant to say “Rocky got out before Sonny was a thought”

 

Aged just 22, Rex knocked Bob Satterfield spark out whom he flattened before Bob later demolished a similar aged Cleveland Williams.

Rex Layne hit hard enough to knock out Ponce Deleon who later on went the full distance against Sonny Liston and Cleveland Williams.

Lloyd Gibson was coming off a win over Archie Moore when Rex knocked him out.

Whilst not a world beater, With a 49% KO percentage that’s not too bad at all.[/QUOTE]
You ducked my question,which was
"Who are the three best fighters Layne ko'd?

Satterfield was ko'd multiple times.

Ponce De Leon was 8-3-1 he had been kod 2 fights earlier by lhvy Tiger Jack Fox. De Leon was kod 13 rimes

Lloyd Gibson? Two fight previously he had been 25lbs lighter and beaten by 154lbs Artie Towne! Gibson's record includes 5ko losses.
Here's the lowdown on the win over Moore.
The fight ended with Gibson "flat on his face" (according to The Ring), but Moore was ruled to have fouled him. The Washington Star reported that Moore had landed low blows in the 2nd and 3rd round that had cost him points with the referee. Moore struck low again in the 4th round, and this time Gibson could not continue. The Washington Star felt that Moore had won the first three rounds.


Layne was stopped by Charles twice and got a gift decision against him which everybody recognizes.

Serious question, do you think we are all stupid?

 

I never saw Marciano take 3 or 4 hits to land one of his own, Mostly it was the Rock out throwing his foe. If anything it was the other guy taking 4 or 5 hits to land one of his own. Not sure where that myth comes from when fight films prove otherwise.

 

He obviously does because for some bizarre reason he will keep trying the same narrative and lie over and over when we can simply look things up (unless we happen to already know it). It's really weird, as if he thinks if he repeats the same thing enough times we'll crack under the pressure (Chinese water torture?). He's a habitual liar.

I had a student who would blatantly lie to my face and it was quite the spectacle. He asked for permission to use the bathroom--practically begging while claiming he'd wet himself. I only hesitated because he had just used it 25 minutes prior, but it was only 2 days left in the school year so I let him go. Less than 30 seconds later, I can hear his voice and I look out the window seeing him hanging out in another classroom. He claimed he was "trying to return a pair of scissors to another classmate". It was obvious to anyone with an IQ over 50 he was lying about how badly he needed to use the restroom but he still insisted he had to go.

 

Exactly right. But this view is unpopular. Be careful freind. you get called a liar for having an opinion around here

 

Liston is heavier, taller, with greater reach. Better technique. Probably more power.
Marciano, is better in? Perhaps in the intensity, in the rhythm.
The most probable hypothesis? it's like Foreman-Frazier.
Liston is all wrong for Marciano.
I respect Marciano, but he is at a severe stylistic disadvantage. He needs to get close. Marciano has the shortest reach among heavyweight champions. Liston the longest.
Plus Liston is heavier, much heavier, and can easily push him back when Marciano closes.
Today they would fight in two different weight classes.
Marciano has excellent strength and conditioning, but was sent floored by Walcott and Moore in their near 40s. Great boxers, but they certainly didn't punch like Liston.
To win, Marciano would have to wear Liston down, focusing on his physical and psychological resistance. Hard battle for Marciano, underdog.

 

I don’t know that it’s fair to call me a liar for having a different opinion.

wheres the lie?

 

absolutely true.

Absolutely true.

True.

never said he wasn’t. Where is the lie?

never said he wasn’t. Where is the lie?

never said he wasn’t. So where is the lie?

never said he wasn’t. So where is the lie?

 

Except youth.

Again if this is your best argument for Marciano, it's very telling. You could use this logic, to give him a chance against guys like Tyson. Would you be willing to do the same?

1. Untrue.

2. Boxing writers and "aficionados" tend to romanticize the fighters of yesterday.

3. Liston was just about the most hated champion of all time.

We know. You make thread after thread subtly trying to discredit him.

 

is this true or untrue? Where does romanticism fit factually with the evidence? Does romance really interfere with the existence of comparisons?

 

That too .. at the end of 55 Liston was no presence ..

 

You have a well proven history of using spin and "massaging facts".

I haven't called you a liar on this thread, two others have done so.
You have been tabbed as a liar multiple times in the past ,and by different posters.Why do you think that is?

 

I didn't say you lied in this specific thread, nor did I say you were a liar for having a different opinion. I'm saying you must think we're stupid because you try the same thing over and over, sprinkle lies or half truths in your arguments, get called out, wait a few months and then try the same thing all over again. You either have a bad memory or you intentionally say things that can easily be verified to be untrue or dubious.

 

He was able to KO Louis because Joe was a one-handed, shuffling mummy who should have been put out to pasture long before they met. Still, Old Joe tattooed Rocky with the one hand that worked.

Liston was tougher. He fought guys who were actually within spitting distance of their primes and weren't approaching 40. He also fought the better part of 8 rounds with a broken jaw.

He never had to close the gap on a fighter near as long, near as dangerous as Liston. He would pay the toll and the toll would be steep. Plus, Liston is stronger on the inside and reset the distance a la Foreman.

Because old fighters generally have shallow gas tanks. By the by Rocky's output in the first Walcott fight was nothing special. I once did a punch stat on it and he was generally throwing in the 30's per round.

A bunch of geriatrics, light-heavies and a great white dope.

 

Some people would bet on Rocky to knock out Godzilla because of his heart, toughness and work rate.

Not aimed specifically at you, but in response to those talking about my saying he’d take multiple punches to land one, I don’t have the time or inclination to watch all his fights and do exact punch counts, but the point I was trying to make and what I think even his acolytes would concede is that he was easy to hit because he was hyper aggressive and right there in people’s faces trying to overwhelm them. Which is why people love the guy.

I just think he’d be physically unable to do that against Sonny Liston who was better than anyone he faced in his life, not just bigger and stronger.