Why is Tysons competition poo pooed

As a revisionist I watched the bowe Holyfield trilogy yesterday. Quite simply holy was treated with difficulties. First fight: Bowe just wouldn't go out of gas! He trained immensely for holy. Bowe Holyfield two: like saintpat alluded to in one of his threads, the fanman was a distraction. BUT Evander kept his Lazor beam focus for 21 minutes, while Riddick bowe was having sentiments of saying "eff this I'm done, I'm gonna go with my wife." As Bowes wife fainted due to the fanman while being pregnant with child.

Bowe admitted he didn't want to be a quiter, so he finished the fight. Great win for holy. Then in the third fight, that hepatitis a stuff got to Holyfield fluctuating his energy levels. My goodness the adversity Evander had to walk through for Bowe Holyfield trilogy!!!

Just a note: I think I mixed up the win vs loss column.

 

However you want to slice it, I think it’s fair to say Tyson never walked through that kind of difficulty to either win a fight nor finish one when the chips were down.

Not saying he quit trying (well he did in Holy II when he purposely got himself DQ’d) but he didn’t have the fortitude to ever finish a fight when he took a beating.

 

I think it was most similar to Marciano, a talented puncher cleaning up a division of leftovers from a previous era. None of the 1980s guys he beat did anything else later that I can think of except Holmes, who took some more time off and then had tune-ups to get himself into fighting shape … I think the Holmes of Mercer loses to Tyson but it’s a much better version of Larry than Mike fought.

Unlike Marciano, however, he got taken out by an unheralded Buster Douglas who had shown limitations already. If there had been an equivalent to Buster in Rocky’s day, maybe that would have happened to him too, but we can only judge by what actually happened. Maybe if Floyd had come along a few years earlier.

 

Berbick’s best win was over John Tate, and Larry Holmes took Trevor to school after that.

Let’s not try to make a guy who had already racked up losses to ST Gordon, Renaldo Snipes and Bernardo Mercado with a draw against Leroy Caldwell out as a world-beater just to make Tyson look good.

 

Atlas put it well on Joe Rogan podcast, Tyson as a kid used to hide between buildings while a robbery (he committed) went down. This was natural for him, to hide. While Holyfield growing up only had no chance to be weak, his mamma always told him to be a winner. With that being taught, it built character. While Tyson's upbringing bred avoidance.

 

Was Teddy’s point that if Mike was a real man he would have waited around for the police and picked them up and deposited them in a dumpster like Sonny Liston did, lol?

 

Ruddock

 

Holyfield never fought Tucker, McCall, Morrison, Ruddock, Bruno, Spoon...am I missing anyone?

Your hatred for Tyson blinds you...

 

He was a horrible prognosticator.

 

I like Atlas but he obviously has a problem with Tyson. He spent a lot of that podcast trashing Tyson and saying how he is a weak person. Meanwhile Tyson is arguably one of the most dominant and successful heavyweights ever at his peak. He is one in many millon.

 

Lol, teddy always paints himself as a hothead. At times he could be a prosecutor s dream with the information of crimes he (tried to) commit. He also ran the streets common sense we all know that lol and he did some time in Rikers also known fact.

One thing Ted alluded to was that Mike was never an athlete because ihe was never in a real fight. He called Tyson's kos an "athletic exhibitions" that's not really fair considering teddy never laced them up... But he bigged up Holyfield, buster, Lewis, McBride and Williams as real fights for Tyson, and he folded.

Till this day there is still confusion as to why teddy pulled the trigger besides Tyson's ear. It's all about that tough guy image, he knows people get a rise from it and it is "cool."

To an aside, Mike Tyson robbed wutang clans u-gods mother for her earrings. What a bad apple he was as a kid lol.

 

Who were Holmes' leftovers? Berbick who was green when Holmes faced him but gave Holmes hell for 15? Tyson KO2.
Bonecrusher? Who was green and troubled Holmes but, coming off his best win over Spoon, held on for dear life against Tyson and lost every round?
Truth Williams? Who was green and lost a controversial decision to Holmes but was dispatched by Tyson in 89 seconds?
Marvis Frazier? Again, very green when he fought Holmes but a few years later is steamrolled in 30 seconds by Tyson.
Spinks? All jokes aside...

Tyson beat every Holmes opponent better AND fought the guy Holmes refused to fight in Pinklon Thomas. The division didn't suck, it was just coming off a perceived lackluster Holmes reign that was tainted by Don King. A lot of great fights from 80's HW champions can be found on Youtube if one has the patience and persistence to find and watch them.

 

Morrison? Did Tyson fight him? Spoon? What’s your point there? Don’t let your love of Tyson blind you.

But let’s see:

Holyfield fought … TYSON himself … and beat him twice.

Holyfield fought Buster Douglas, who beat Tyson, and Holy beat him.

Common opponents?

Both beat Botha, Alex Stewart, Quick Tillis. Pinklon, Savarese, Holmes … probably some people I’m not thinking of.

Holyfield had a draw and a decision loss vs. Lewis. Tyson got KO’d and dominated.

Holyfield fought Dokes, Mercer, Bowe, Rahman, Moorer … a pretty good collection of top guys Tyson never faced, and beat them.

Evander cleaned out the cruiserweight division more impressively than Tyson did the heavyweight division, because Holyfield never lost to a Buster Douglas at cruiser. Then moved up and became the guy at heavyweight.

I really don’t understand your point.