Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

Both beat a similar number of contenders in similar divisions, IIRC. Liston's best opposition might have been a bit better, but Marciano was a far better champion. I pick Liston to beat Marciano, but I don't think it's as obvious as many others do. Marciano's also got the 49-0.

I put them in about the same place overall. Marciano has more bells and whistles if you're making a greatness argument; Liston has a better head to head case. All comes out about even in the wash.

I don't buy the separation that some people try to draw between the Marciano period and the one that came after it.

 

No. I'm saying Louis was a come forward fighter, which was what the post asked for.

He's actually more like a mini Liston in the Buddy Baer scenario, against a giant guy trying to fight like Marciano.

 

Then that's the complete opposite of what I'm asking for lol.

 

In no way do I consider them relevant to predicting the outcome of a Marciano vs Liston fight, but Mickey Walker vs Paulino Uzcudun, Roberto Duran vs Iran Barkley and Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito meet the criteria of what you ask for.

Henry Armstrong vs Cerfino Garcia may or may not, depending on how particular you are about the bigger man being exactly equally as aggressive.

 

That was not how I read the post. I don’t remember “larger aggressive larger man” part. You said you wanted examples of a smaller man with that style.

Thankyou I am glad you understood it. Tactically there are aspects of comparison in the first meeting between Wlad and Lammon because as you say Wlad did set off like the front foot guy up till this fight. Jabbing. Looking to bully and push as early as the first round.

yes that’s how I understood it too.

 

Oh i see you edited and added the bottom line. I was just going to ignore the post.

Sulking over being caught out on the dishonesty front again?

 

Not at all. I wrote 30-0 when I should have wrote 30-0-1. wasn’t deliberate. So for the pedantic I edited it to read 30-1-0. . Since the zero represents “unbeaten”. Perhaps I could have worded it unbeaten in 30 fights?

Another poster wrote that Walcott and Moore were both less than 190lb. I didn’t see you correct that guy. So I pointed out the guy was mistaken which is all you should have done rather than accuse me of lying.

 

Liston stops Wlad imo.

 

Well, you said two come forward fighters, one bigger than the other. You classed Liston as a come forward fighter. Which is why I put the qualifier.

If you want a come forward fighter with Marciano's style vs a bigger come forward fighter with Liston's style, both ATGs, those are probably going to be rare. Armstrong is your best bet.

 

You've been corrected hundreds of times on the forum, often on the same point. Accidents only carry one so far.

 

I think the issue a lot of the younger historians have is that they came up during a time where the internet was using broad style terms to describe boxers and beliefs arose that one type never beats another type. when as you know, within the sport, game plans and strategies exist to counter a problems for all occurrences between styles. There are drills for this and solutions for each type to follow against the other. Which is why trainers and coaches are in demand. Unfortunately there is a world view that expressions like “styles make fights” are misinterpreted. Fixed views don’t allow for the thought that these terms were intended as simply broad and sweeping descriptive labels that were never meant to exclude the chances of one entire type against another. There were and are answers and solutions for each type. Otherwise manny Stewart never would have bothered training Oliver McCall against Lennox Lewis. Etc etc.

 

inconsequential pedantic issues. Same as everyone else.

 

Rating the ATG heavies Steward dismissed Rocky as too small ,.too slow ,with bad balance,and with a reputation built on older, past prime men.
McCall was just 6 3/4lbs lighter than Lewis,when he kod him McCall was 231 1/4lbs and 6 ft 2 in.
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4 inches taller than Marciano and typically 46lbs heavier.

 

This is all true. I was merely talking about styles of fighters. Lewis was larger. Longer reach.

on the issue of Steward, I could counter this with another reputable trainer endorsing Rocky Marciano, but you are well aware with what dear old Don Turner had to say about Rocky or perhaps Tommy Gallagher or any amount of others that are out there.