If you had to empty out your bank account, who would you bet on Spence or Crawford‽

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If you had to empty out your bank account, who would you bet on Spence or Crawford‽

Poll closed Jul 7, 2023.
  1. Spence

    23.7%
  2. Crawford

    76.3%
  1. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Never knocks anyone out though
     
  2. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Life and death? LOL. Castillo/Corrales 1 was a life and death battle. Porter made things difficult at times, but Crawford didn't really struggle.
     
  3. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Spence due to reasons listed below:

    One thing I've noticed about the boxing community is that the more "flashy" fighter is always favored. Based on the eye test, Crawford's boxing is just "prettier". Crawford mesmerizes you with his beautiful counter-punching and timing while Spence makes you cringe with his relentless pressure and bone-crushing power. But, when you look at both fighters and study who they fought (when they fought them), it is clear that neither guy is really more "skilled" than the other. Crawford is more twitchy, has slightly faster hands and feet, has exceptional timing, and is great at judging distance. Spence has better defense, chin, jab, better in the pocket, better at cutting off the ring, and he seems to have much better stamina (he threw 110 punches in round 9 against Ugas).

    If you were to put a gun to my head, I would favor Spence by SD or late-round stoppage. Here's the issue I have with Crawford, if you compare the resumes of both (including the Kell Brook and Porter fight), it is clear that Spence has fought the better competition. Now, I am not saying that Crawford wouldn't have beaten the same versions of Kell Brook, Porter, Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia, and Ugas that Crawford the Spence did, I'm just saying we have not seen him fight anyone as good as the version of fighters that Spence has fought.

    Let's look at Crawford's best wins excluding Porter and Brook (I'm excluding these two to prove a point).
    1. Gamboa: Gamboa (the fighter that Crawford said hurt him the most) came up two weight classes and buzzed Crawford. This is not a good sign if you're fighting someone like Spence who is arguably a top 10 puncher in the sport (Top 3 at WW).
    2. Postol: Postol had a terrific win but nothing really special (would've lost to Danny and Ugas at 140). I actually think Josh Taylor did better even though it could be argued that Postol was a better version compared to the Postol that fought Craw
    3. Benvidez: It took Crawford 12 to Stop a one-legged Benavidez (Spence would've taken care of him in 6". Crawford struggled with the length of Benavidez who was literally fighting on one leg. The guy could barely pivot.
    4. Diaz: Diaz was a one-hit wonder who was extremely hyped up.
    5. Horn: Everyone knows that he lost that fight to Manny 9-3. Horn was never anything special and would've gotten battered in the rematch.
    6. Khan: Way past his prime and not the same Khan that was at 140.
    Now, let's look at two common opponents (Porter and Brook).

    Brook: Just being objective, neither guy fought the best version of Brook. Brook went up two weight divisions to fight the Number 1 P4P fighter in GGG and came back down to 147 to fight Spence. Crawford, on the other hand, fought a version of Kell Brook who was past his prime, had three fights at 154, and took the fight at 147 on a 6-week notice (Even Ingles refused to coach him). Since Kell Brook was much fresher at 147 when he fought Spence, you have to say that Spence fought a much better version of Kell Brook.

    Porter: Porter was one foot away from retirement and Kenny Porter admitted that Porter did not train as hard as he did when he fought Spence( If you watch both fights, you can tell). Plus, I had it tied when Crawford fought Porter before the knockdown. With Spence, even before the knockdown, I had it 9-3 for Spence (Porter was missing a lot of shots and Spence put on a defensive masterclass utilizing his jab and shell defense.

    To sum it up, in almost every fight Crawford has had, he had some type of advantage whether it be a huge disparity of skills, power, size...etc, or fighters just simply being past their best.

    Crawford has never faced anyone who possesses the perfect combination of power, fundamentals, jab, defense, and pressure that Spence brings. Had Crawford defeated Manny, Prime Porter, Prime Kell Brook, and Prim Thurman, I would probably give him the edge. But based on how many times he has been hurt and the level of competition, I have to side with Spence in this fight. Plus you are only as good as your recent opponent David Ava was defeated by Mean Machine (who Crawford knocked out) and Spence defeated a top 5 WW in Ugas, who is better than anyone Crawford has faced in his career.

    This fight will probably be similar to GGG vs Canelo, minus the skill but a little more action-packed. My gut tells me that this fight will be a controversial draw, but my head tells me that Spence is going to win by decision or late stoppage.
     
  4. BCS8

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    LOL
     
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  5. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Spence is the higher grossing fighter. If it goes to the cards he wins. How people fail to remember this for every fight is shocking to me.

    This is a 50/50 fight, but anything resembling a close fight will be a Spence win, with at least one laughably poor lopsided score. Absolute joke of a sport.
     
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    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jesus Christ.. this idiot is calling a potential robbery already lmao..
     
  7. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Most people had it tied before the knockdown. I don't put too much stock in the Porter fight since that wasn't the same Porter who fought Thurman, Spence, and Ugas. Hell, Kenny admitted that Porter didn't train as hard for Crawford as he did for Spence. I always felt Ugas did the best against Porter out of everyone even though he was robbed (I had it 9-3 for Ugas)
     
  8. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Isn't it sad? Boxing has done this to itself, don't be mad at me.
     
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    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Errol Spence all the way.

    I know guys who want to see four belts unified have a real hard on for this, but, matchup wise, it seems like a fairly straightforward win for Spence.

    I'm not any more excited for this than I was for Spence vs Ugas, honestly. At least Ugas beat Pacquiao.
     
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  11. Jackman65

    Jackman65 The fatigue is real… Full Member

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    I voted Crawford but this is a close 50/50 fight. A fight they should have happened five or six years ago. Better late than never.

    Didn’t Crawford TKO Porter? The same Porter that gave Earl all he could handle? Boxing needs this one to be a great fight and I’m hoping if it goes to the cards it will be a legit decision. Too many questionable cards these days. Let the best man win.
     
  12. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Well, I won't put too much stake in a father trainer making excuses for their boy after a loss. Arguably Porters best opponent and he is not going to train hard. Does pops seem like the kinda guy that would let his boy half ass training?

    You do make valid points when comparing opposition. For me I think Crawford has more dog in him. All other skills being so close, that little intangible may be the difference. But, in all honesty, I don’t see either man having a clear cut advantage. I think this will be a damn goof fight, fought with great skill.
     
  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    you are correct in most casuals thinking that cute or flashy equals more skilled. and just because they watch boxing all the time doesnt make em more than casuals. the reason you need to master fundamentals is because those are the best methods to achieve what you want to achieve. and winning is what you want to achieve. and thats true in every sport. thats why tim duncan wiped his ass with all the flashy acrobats.
    spence is going to put the beating of crawfords life on him. and hes gonna make it look easier that most casuals can even imagine right now.
     
  14. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That was not the same Porter Porter's father admitted that Sean did not train his hard for Crawford as he did for Spence