The actual skill level of Jim Braddock

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Have to love the time put into all the positive energy .. nothing like Karma ... would like to say that was years ago and things have changed but .......... Anyway Rez has nothing to sweat.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Rez makes some great videos, I don't always agree with his interpretation of them,but the quality is tops.
     
  3. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    I thoroughly enjoy Reznick's videos. Oh course Jim Braddock had some skills. He would have never accomplished what he did without any. I think Jim Braddock, had he been born in more modern times, and was still fighting, would be doing fine. He was not an all time great, but he was not THAT bad either.

    I do not buy into the idea that humans have evolved to any great degree in the last 95 years either, in boxing or in any other sport. Evolution is very gradual. We're actually still smaller on average now than humans were 40,000 years ago.

    "We are now generally shorter, lighter and smaller boned than our ancestors were 100,000 years ago. The decrease has been gradual but has been most noticeable in the last 10,000 years. However, there has been some slight reversal to this trend in the last few centuries as the average height has started to increase."

    "Average height of Homo sapiens over the last 40,000 years
    This information is based on the average heights of European males because better statistics exist for this population, but the general trend is worldwide.

    • 40,000 years ago: European males – 183 cm (6 feet). Cro-Magnon people were the first modern humans (Homo sapiens) to inhabit Europe. These hunter-gatherers lived a physically demanding lifestyle that would have required greater body strength than the average human today. Their recent African ancestry may have also affected their height, as tall, long-limbed builds are useful adaptations to the warmer African climate.
    • 10,000 years ago: European males – 162.5cm (5 ft 4 inches). A dramatic reduction in the size of humans occurred at this time. Many scientists think that this reduction was influenced by global climatic change and the adoption of agriculture. Agricultural communities suffered from malnutrition as a result of failed crops and a more restricted diet. Furthermore, a close association with domestic livestock introduced new diseases into human populations.
    • 600 years ago: European males – 165 cm (5 ft 5 inches). Poor diet and health were the main causes for the shorter stature at this time.
    • Today: European males – 175 cm (5ft 9 inches). There has been an increase in height over the last few hundred years. In part, this increase is due to improved diet and health care. There may also be a genetic link as industrial expansion and urbanisation has brought together genetically isolated people and reduced the impacts of inbreeding due to a greater mixing of populations and their genes.
    Smaller brains
    For the last two million years there has been a trend toward a bigger brain that has affected many species in our family tree. This trend has seen a reversal in our own species and our brains are now the smallest they have been at any time in the past 100,000 years. Most of this decrease occurred in the last 6,000 years. In part, this is related to a decrease in body size that also occurred during this period, however, other factors are probably also involved.

    Our brains now average about 100-150 cubic centimetres less than when our species first appeared.
    • 100,000 years ago: average brain size: 1500cc
    • 12,000 years ago: average brain size: 1450cc
    • Today: average brain size: 1350cc
    Smaller teeth and jaws
    The trend toward smaller jaws and teeth that was seen in our ancestors has continued in our own species. In fact, some people today do not have enough space in their jaws to fit their 3rd molars or wisdom teeth.

    Overall, these changes have occurred in proportion with a decrease in body size. However, over the last 10,000 years dietary changes and technology have played a major role.

    A decrease in size has occurred in the jaws and teeth of Homo sapiens over the last 30,000 years. However, there has been a very slight reversal in this trend in the last century as teeth have increased in size. This is partly related to the introduction of fluoride, which thickens dental enamel, so making teeth a little larger."

    The quotes are from: https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/how-have-we-changed-since-our-species-first-appeared/#:~:text=We are now generally shorter,height has started to increase. Similar information can be found in other reputable places online.
     
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  4. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Said the sad little interior decorator who spent years making a documentary about Larry Holmes that never made a nickel. What was that about Karma mr "historian"?
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Did I strike a nerve ? LOL.
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The difference is Rez spends the time generating well produced clips with positive messages. Bubbles on the other hand actually made a conscious decision to assemble that negative, juvenile clip ... Imagine being that miserable ? It's cringeworthy.
     
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  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wonder what Klompton thinks of Benny Leonard.

    Benny said he’d watch two novices — raw beginners — spar in the gym because one of them might do something by accident that he could use.
     
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  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His strength was as the strength of 10 men because he was pure of heart.
     
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    That pureness of heart is underrated
     
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  10. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Not really. I just enjoy winding you up. Watching you get your little pink interior decorator panties in a twist is comical. I occupy so much of your headspace its sad really.
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I really believe that in your heart, you would bet everything you own on prime Braddock beating a prime Riddick Bowe
     
  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    LOL
     
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  13. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was not in any shape, form or fashion close to being historically elite, but peak, healthy Jim Braddock was a pretty damn good prize fighter. Enough said.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    It's Klompton's 47th birthday,I take it you do not want to wish him, many happy returns?
     
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  15. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Sure he does! He wouldnt be able to wake up in the morning if he didnt know I was out here. He cant help himself.